I had it in my head that the cameras ignore the duelled bits. So the cameras were at the end ("capture camera") and start ("test camera") of the duelled sections. therefore recording only the single section bits. I therefore drove at 70 in the dualled sections (as you can legally) and I've not got any tickets.
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Is dualling the A9 really that bad?
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Posted 9 years ago #
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I suspect it's either that, or the average speed factors in moving up to 70mph. Certainly I drove up and back down the A9 between Perth and Dalwhinnie last month and was doing as ARobComp did and haven't had any tickets.
Noticeably smoother journey that other years (do that route at least once a year, and often further on to Aviemore or Inverness).
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North of Perth, @ARobComp is right, the cameras only cover single carriageway sections.
The continuous dual carriageway between Perth and Dunblane is also covered by the speed cameras.
http://www.safetayside.co.uk/road-safety-/a9-road-safety.htmlPosted 9 years ago # -
@ARobComp there is an updated version of the report you linked to.
Following up on the journey time discussion from six months ago, the average journey times are indeed lower in June and July than in December, by about 8 minutes on average on weekdays. Friday journey times since March this year were on average less than the baseline before the speed cameras were installed. Less speeding > less delays?
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So from that report:
Traffic volumes up slightly.
Journey times down slightly.
Speeding significantly lower.
Large reduction in 'incidents'.
Massive reduction in knock-on of incidents.And there are still some people who think this is a bad idea?
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What's EVIDENCE got to do with it?
It's WRONG!
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I may be a little dim here, but haven't journey times increased?
http://a9road.info/uploads/publications/A9_Data_Monitoring_Report_-_July_2015.pdf
Secttion 8.GPosted 9 years ago # -
stiltskin, yes the journey times are slightly higher Mon-Thurs and Sat-Sun in June/July 2015 compared with June 2013, and only down on Fridays.
But there were headlines about bigger increases in journey times using December data, and they have come down since then (without headlines).Posted 9 years ago # -
Ah, I thought when they referred to journey time baselines that the baseline was the journey time reduction, and so the 9 minutes (or whatever it was) referred to as being 'above baseline' meant that they had exceeded the expected reduction.
So no, it's me being a little dim.
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So only ten times more than rail to Gala? Then again more people drive than 'train' so maybe seems reasonable to car users?
Would be good to see year on year rail improvements though...Posted 9 years ago # -
Interesting mention of this on Scotland 2015 last night. The guest panel were split: Penny Taylor clearly a driver on the road said it was about time, how ridiculous hasn't happened before, disappointed only 8km being dualled. Dominic Hinde pointed out the huge total cost of £3bn and disappointed that not a penny was being spent on public transport improvements, as he travels by train a lot.
That was refreshingly balanced!
Posted 9 years ago # -
Seems to Keith Brown's 'local' road too.
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Yes, when we start rationing petrol and private automobile use is severely restricted, we'll be able to allocate one of the carriageways as a lovely bicycle road!
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Interesting comparison.
The Borders railway cost around £10m per mile (that's including the cost over-runs)
The dualing of the A9 will cost £37m per mile. That's assuming the cost doesn't over-run.
Posted 9 years ago # -
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No fatalities on A9 in July, August and September
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-34657092
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Some people aren't so sure though...
But critics of the scheme said longer-term statistics showed a rise in fatal accidents between Inverness and Perth.
There have been six fatal crashes - an increase of one on the baseline average of 5.5 fatal accidents - between the two cities between October last year and June this year.
Mike Burns, who has campaigned against the cameras, said this figure showed that the system was not the answer to the A9's problems.Surely it shows promise - even if you are not a fan of having your speed moderated?
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I suspect Mike Burns hasn't got any statistical training.
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The average-speed cameras have generated no end of pub conversations and it fundamentally seems to boil down to people wanting to be able to commit a criminal offence without any penalty.
It'll be a long march for excess speed to be treated the same way by society as excess blood alcohol, but hopefully we'll get there.
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"seems to boil down to people wanting to be able to commit a criminal offence without any penalty"
Not really any other logical explanation.
'Cameras will make MY journey slower' - only if you were speeding before.
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'Cameras will make MY journey slower'
Not my experience and I have been up and down the A9 a lot this year.
The 'is it, isn't it an average speed section' can be confusing as a driver and has the (un)intended result of (IMO) lowered speeds in most sections.
Don't let anyone kid on that it's all slower - north of Perth the dualled sections are plenty long enough to speed past lorries and caravans.
I saw no overall increase in journey time to aviemore, but quite a lot less daft and dangerous overtaking.
Posted 9 years ago # -
I concur, the two trips I've made up the a9 have been a lot less stressful and I noted no significant change to journey time. Doubly so when you factor in the requisite pit stop at Pitlochry.
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"Not my experience"
"I concur'
That's the point, people who (appear to) want to break the law aren't even going to be inconvenienced - unless (as you both example) they like extra stress!
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@chdot, there may be something in that. See the past thread on driverless cars: the Beeb jour no complaining that the experience was "boring" (i.e.. extremely safe).
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The 'is it, isn't it an average speed section' can be confusing
That'll be the reason that speeding has increased in the non-average-speed-camera sections then, as regular drivers start to remember where the cameras are.
Posted 9 years ago # -
Mike Burns on Radio Scotland just now complaining about no Police cars on M8, while saying he has his car's cruise control set to keep him speeding at 75-77mph ...
Posted 9 years ago # -
Yes I heard 10 minutes of that. Another listener suggesting that Mike should volunteer to go on a driver awareness course (which Mike thinks speeding drivers should go on).
Posted 9 years ago # -
It's not fair. The overprivileged metropolitan elite Central Belt motorists are allowed to speed, while hard working family Highland crofter motorists are not. Waah! Waah!
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