Hi Folks
I stumbled across this petition, views always welcome, i will slink back to the shadows and lurk once more.
R
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Petition to ban pavement cycling Edinburgh
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Posted 11 years ago #
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I thought that there already was a ban on pavement cycling.
Posted 11 years ago # -
@amir: Me, too.
Posted 11 years ago # -
seems like someone didnt realise and has started a petition about it of course... and i only posted it FYI... we all know the law (dont we?).
Posted 11 years ago # -
The easy solution would seem to be to provide a clear and direct designated cycling diversion route, as would happen in any of the more civilised European countries.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Can anyone start a petition to ban something that's already banned?
Posted 11 years ago # -
Interesting that it has been submitted by a business, albeit what sounds like a small business.
http://www.companieslist.co.uk/SC264613-macpherson-scotland-limited
Based near Haymarket hence the ridiculous Haymarket/tramwork-related wording in the petition.
It's all so badly worded, badly phrased and ill thought out. It's clearly not going to go anywhere. What's the point? I mean you get cut up by a pavement cyclist and you think at the time, 'Ooh, I'll submit a petition'. But most people would calm down again after 10 minutes.
I like the uppercase 'F' on "fine" though.
Posted 11 years ago # -
I presume you found this via the comments on the EEN bus lanes story?
Total signatories: 2
Going well, then!
Small business owners often a bit reactionary, or at least their (self-appointed?) political representatives are (see Conferederation of Small Businesses). Surprising really. Margaret Thatcher was a grocer's daughter (though I think he was 'big business - even more reactionary?)
Posted 11 years ago # -
2 signatures in 9 days? At this rate it might actually get 6!
Posted 11 years ago # -
From a CAPS document last year -
"...anyone cycling on a footway or footpath in Scotland is committing an offence under the provisions of Section 129(5) of the Roads (Scotland) Act 1984"
It does go onto say there are exceptions where access rights exist.
Posted 11 years ago # -
The petitioner is aparently a "celebrity kiltmaker Alison Adamson-Ross of Macpherson, Scotland, in Grosvenor Street".
She appears to be asking for something that is illegal to be made illegal.
She is really complaining about completely inadequate (or is that non-existent) alternative cycling routes and complete disregard for pedestrians by the tram people and some bike users.
Obviously the petition is going nowhere - even it got lots of signatures.
Wonderful opportunity for some of 'us' to engage (with a mutual interest) with a genuine rarity - a pedestrian activist!
Posted 11 years ago # -
She might be surprised to learn that the majority of responsbile cyclists agree with her sentiments (if not her reasons...bad impression of the city on a par with the trams???!)
Posted 11 years ago # -
Great - I've been looking to buy a celebrity kilt for ages, but didn't know where to get one...
Posted 11 years ago # -
More about her here -
http://www.scotlandvotes.com/westminster/constituency-profiles/livingston
Will confirm some prejudices - and, maybe, encourage someone to get in touch.
Obviously 'we' will not be apologising for any other cyclists (that would be too 'nice') but getting a 'pedestrian campaigner' to see a bigger picture might be beneficial.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Don't "bans" = "red tape"? ;)
Posted 11 years ago # -
a genuine rarity - a pedestrian activist!
I'm willing to bet she drives to work, despite Haymarket station just a short walk away.
Note this from the petition: "It is suggested that Fines should be imposed on those flouting a ban in the same way Fines are imposed on motorists. "
See, that's what's getting up her nose. She probably got fined for driving on the pavement, and thinks it unfair that scofflaw cyclists get off Scot free.
Grumpy granny, failed Tory candidate, having an ill-tempered whinge about her bete noir. Nothing to see here, move along please...
Posted 11 years ago # -
Why don't you ask her?
Posted 11 years ago # -
I don't see the point of engaging with 'the enemy'. No way she will be persuaded, a lost cause. Better to work on the "I'd like to cycle, but..." types than the "Those ******** cyclists!" types.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Maybe she should instead start a petition to ban lazy councils from converting footpaths to shared use, which undermines the perfectly sensible existing pavement cycling ban.
I'm amused by the notion that Edinburgh's roads are suitable for 13-year-old cyclists.
And where are these pavement cyclists anyway? Certainly not on my local street, where the pavements have been invaded by parked cars. The evidence from my neighbourhood suggests that almost all drivers park on pavements, a fact which is met with complete indifference by the authorities.
When the pavement parkers are challenged, they pathetically whine that there is "not enough space" for other cars to pass if they park entirely on the carriageway, even though there plainly is. And even if there wasn't, the risk that a Nice Wee Car might end up getting scratched is of absolutely no concern to me. Get them off my infrastructure.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Maybe it was just a typo, and she meant Livingston? ;)
West Lothian council a while ago made pavement cycling legal in Livingston (can't find the link now) to try and encourage cycling. Although, unless Livingston has changed dramatically in the 2 years since I left, I can't imagine her experiencing much of a problem.
Unfortunately Livingston is a perfect example of 'build it, and it will never be used'. The whole town is a network of cycle friendly paths which are hardly used by cyclists. You can more or less get to/from any bit of the town/surrounding areas without even having to cross a road given the wide paths and under/overpass system that was built when the town was originally built.
Again, maybe that has all changed in the last 2 years since I moved away, and she now finds herself being overrun by cyclists on her walk from Muiriston/Deer Park/Livingston Village to the Centre on a Saturday...
Posted 11 years ago # -
Wow...
"i watched a new scottish gov.t enterprise advert advising cyclists not to earn themselves a bad name by driving through red lights the other night.... oh i thought - thats good...... then i got in my car and drove to traffic lights which were red - a woman on a cycle came along and pedaled through the red light!
how about cyclists obey road laws before they are allowed on them.... they should pay road tax, they they should have a registration number and ALL cyclists should wear proper protection - head to toe.... motorbikers have to - SO SO SHOULD PUSH CYCLISTS.
I always give the push cyclists room and wont pass them if its built up busy until its clear to do so but motorists are getting the raw end of the deal whilst the majority of cyclists and just taking joy rides causing alsorts of havoc - there are a minority who are not like this - but they are the minority."
Posted 11 years ago # -
Signatories as of today:
4 (business)
11 (individual)Do businesses have a bloc vote on petitions, you know like unions used to have in Old Labour?
Posted 11 years ago # -
Those comments are really going in the same,twisted direction..
One thing that stood out was a stat saying 18 PEDs killed by cycles 2002-2009. I can only find a link to a bbc article on dangerous cycling and no more info on that figure.
That doesn't seems right does it?!Posted 11 years ago # -
It is the number I remember from a DoT report of humungous detail, so yep, 18 sounds right.
If I continue to recall correctly, only two of those deaths took place on the pavement aka footway and both cyclists got the jile under the 18~~ Act that mentions pedalling furiously.
I can't remember the link for the Department of Transport report, or the source for the jailing of the two cyclists. Pinch of salt, and that.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Actually, I think motorcyclists only need to wear a helmet. Speedos and a helmet would be perfectly legal.
The figure of 18 for pedestrians killed by cyclists is probably correct. I mean, I think the BBC and the DfT would get it right. It's not that surprising. That's over 8 years and includes collisions on roads. How often have you seen peds step out into the road or emerge from between busses? Or idiots cycling too fast on canal paths or pavements. Over time it's inevitable that someone will get hit and killed.
Posted 11 years ago # -
18 pedestrian deaths over 8 years is a fantastically low number.
Amongst the list of things which kill more than two British people per year are.. well... almost everything in the world (certainly: golf balls, trousers, drinking water, jogging, stairs, lifts, windows, street lights, etc. etc. etc.)
Makes you realise how stupid it is that any road safety campaign could try and put iffy cycling on a par with dodgy driving. When we spend 0.1% of the time worrying about the cause of 0.1% of the carnage I'll be happier...
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Posted 11 years ago # -
No pedestrians on record being killed by cyclists 2004-2010 in Edinburgh and certainly don't think any since then either. 6 serious and 28 slight injuries. Report does not allocate "fault" for those at this level.
Posted 11 years ago # -
i seen many people doing it here before getting into broomhouse cycle path.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Stenhouse+Dr&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&sa=N&tab=wlbut then how do you get into the cycle path without cycling along the pavement?
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