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"George Street becoming epicentre of Fringe - promoter"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/arts/news/george-street-becoming-epicentre-of-fringe-promoter-1-3026556

    Presume it's shut to bikes then - with suitably signed alternative route(?)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. cc
    Member

    I can't help with any actual useful transport details, but - if George St is the epicentre of the Fringe, then the origin must be somewhere deep underneath George St ...?

    If anyone's looking for the centre of the Fringe, it's my office. Totally surrounded by bleeping Fringe venues.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. fimm
    Member

    I was on George Street last night, as it happens. You'd have to cycle on the pavement to get past. Can't comment on signed alternative routes, but I was stuck in traffic on a bus on Princes Street earlier and thought that it would be horrible to try and cycle there with all that traffic (not that I saw anyone trying to cycle there...)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. Dave
    Member

    Of course, when Princes St is shut to cyclists going east, they won't be able to close George St for anything at all, short of diverting families and tourists onto the length of Queen Street.

    I'm sure this won't happen...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    It's alright we can also cycle eastbound on Rose Street instead.

    Oh.

    Waitagoshdarnminute.

    No we can't. It's one way in the other direction.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    Maybe they can put those wee 'Except cyclists' signs up on Rose Street? Either that or we'll all have to become militant scofflaws for the duration of Festivus...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. Dave
    Member

    Damn you guys, there's a perfectly good road for cyclists that is Queen St.

    If you don't want to ride on it you can just walk the mile or two each day, who doesn't want to walk a mile while they're late for the train or the kids are getting rained on?

    Honestly, cyclists these days! Next you'll be asking for cycling provision on Princes St.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. douglaswaring
    Member

    Re: Rose St as an alternative to George St - as a pedestrianised zone which has no specific regulation of cycling, is it not in fact possible to cycle eastbound? Seems a bit of a grey area to me.

    Of course, Rose St is hardly an adequate alternative as the volume of pedestrians during the day usually means you'd have to dismount anyway.

    Queen St has a shocking surface and also requires cyclists travelling straight ahead at the junctions (eastbound) to cross 2 lanes of traffic.

    Isn't George St a National Cycle Route?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. kaputnik
    Moderator

    is it not in fact possible to cycle eastbound?

    No as it's a one-way street (traffic can still use it for access) with no entry signs at each western entrance preventing a legal entry onto the street.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "traffic can still use it for access"

    But only at certain times.

    The cyclists' exemption seem to be lost on some pedestrians.

    Making it two way for bikes would need a TRO which is just all too much for CEC.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. Radgeworks
    Member

    Active Travel Plan 2013

    Hi Folks, re Rose St and cycling, ive personally stopped and spoken to police officers in Rose St whilst travelling in both directions,and there is absolutely NO problem cycling either way, ive been doing that route for nearly a year now, due to my job. So the above action plan makes for interesting reading. There is hope, (hopefully LOL) R :-)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. PS
    Member

    The access lane in the eastern (The Dome) block looks eminently cycleable (once you have got past the barrier at St Andrew Square). It's a full lane wide and the decking for the outdoors seating has a fence along that side to stop any refreshed punters stepping off it into your path. You'd have to run the gauntlet of peds, but they should at least be going in a straight line as they can't really go anywhere left and right.

    It looks like the Assembly Rooms block is entirely blocked to cyclists though. The pavements are going to be so congested that even a non-Nicewaycode-observing cyclist would find it quicker and easier cycling round another way.

    It's all a nice idea and perhaps intended to prepare the ground for the Council's long term plans for George Street, but what it does highlight is how disappointing a halfway house is. If you're sitting outside the Dome you've got a fairly ugly view of a line of parked cars. Although, of course, the street would surely die without those parking spaces - I mean, how else have these several thousand of visitors got here?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    Fringe has definitely ERUPTED from the EPICENTRE in George St. A lock up that has never seen the light of day deep in the cavern of the cowgate has become a pop up pub called The Cowshed, I have been watching them make it on my commutes. Bit of cladding, bale of hay etc. I am hoping for stetsons.

    A hotel has popped up on waste ground next to my work, looks like Stalag 17, £150 a night. Still looking for terribly outre fashion from Camden Market and then we can say it has kicked off.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. spytfyre
    Member

    Yup - coming from East End of George St you literally cannot get onto Princes Street legally with a right turn from Hanover or Frederick and Castle St is peds now so forget that. Rose street is fine eastbound in the mornign but westbound in the afternoon is hoachin wi tourists.
    Guess I should really go East to end of George Street and turn right down to Scott Monument and turn right there when the lights let me. I have done Princes Street a few times and it was messy, recently I saw a woman cycling a very white bicyle on George Street and as I went to Princes St and she obviously took Rose St she then popped out way ahead on Princes Street due to the traffic holding me up (and a cheeky U turn from me on the Mound followed by an illegal left turn (oops that was a green man wasn't it?) There is literally no way other than the Scott Monumebt route or Queen St as alternatives - someone suggestes Thistle St but again that is one way half way along... Genius.
    I reckon we need a tunnel under George St inf act let's just have tunnels everywhere.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. Instography
    Member

    But it does at least show that the Council can do anything with streets, no matter how extreme, if they really want to.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    "if they really want to"

    As long as it's 'temporary'.

    Maybe need a series of temporary things 12 times a year...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. RJ
    Member

    Fringe? Epicentre? With stuff at it? Oxymoron alert ...

    Posted 11 years ago #

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