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(OT?) Demolish Morningside

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  1. SRD
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    http://www.beltanenetwork.org/ai1ec_event/demolish-morningside-4/?instance_id=8941

    Part of the Cabaret of Dangerous Ideas at the 2013 Edinburgh Fringe How can we cure Edinburgh’s social inequalities and save the city from its ‘urban stagnation’? Well, if you’re Peter Matthews and Richard J. Williams, you start by demolishing one of Auld Reekie’s most affluent neighbourhoods. (Miss Jean Brodie would be horrified.) When they’re not proposing their own drastic brand of urban regeneration, Peter is a lecturer at Heriot-Watt University and Richard is Professor of Contemporary Visual Cultures at the University of Edinburgh. Managing the destruction will be Susan Morrison. - See more at: http://www.beltanenetwork.org/ai1ec_event/demolish-morningside-4/?instance_id=8941#sthash.XIQr7q5I.dpuf

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    From the links it looks like their plans are at a very early stage. Almost in fact a hook line to try to attract punters to their show? What does a professor of visual studies do? I guess not opthalmology? Ah, he writes about architecture and most recently its connection to sex, which is always a good way to sell books.

    My favourite book from this oeuvre is Architecture and Morality, a serious book about prison design in the Victorian era. named after an OMD album...........(ok the other way round)

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    Gembo, I rather suspect that this is designed to tick the 'public engagement' box which gets tallied up as 'impact' in the all powerful REF, which is what determines departmental funding (of the nonteaching variety)and (unofficially), the ranking of individuals in universities.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. Morningsider
    Member

    I'm assuming the thinking runs along the lines that by requiring all those middle class Morningside types to live in a more deprived area they will use their energy and influence to improve those areas - where that is currently directed at maintaining their social advantages.

    An interesting idea - but the more likely outcome would be the creation of a "new Morningside" over the course of a few years, see areas of the East End of London for examples of where this has happened.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. Uberuce
    Member

    I look after Professor Wilson's kids, as it happens.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    Oh there have been a few 'new Morningsides'. Morningside itself was kind of the 'new New Town'. Anyway, over the years gentrification has reached Stockbridge, Comely Bank, the Old Town, parts of Leith, and now Hillside. I suspect much of central Edinburgh will be subject to gentrification over the coming years.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Whoops, double post due to sluggish wi-fi on train...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. Uberuce
    Member

    In the rather good Deus Ex: Human Revolutions, Hong Kong takes this idea and runs with it, building a second city on vast stilts above the old one. Naturally the exodus of wealthy residents and blocking of sunlight means the ground level becomes a Blade Runner style future slum, while the upper level, rising above the pollution and basking in sunlight, is your 50's optimistic sci-fi trope.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. Greenroofer
    Member

    You can't demolish Morningside: we've just had our new cycle hoop installed by the chip shop, so it would be a waste.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. cb
    Member

    Chipped-potato emporium if you don't mind.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. gembo
    Member

    @SRD south west England branch of British Psychological Society run a psychology in the pub series, you can get philosophy too. I have a very rude joke about a freelance ethnographer in the pub, but I cannot tell you it

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. cc
    Member

    Sorry, but there's no way I'm cycling right across the city centre to get to the other Waitrose, so Morningside will have to stay.

    A better improvement would be to make Morningside Road impassable to through traffic. Permit the buses somehow (rising bollards?) and allow deliveries to shops in limited hours, but otherwise let it be for pedestrians and cyclists. Bliss.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    @cc

    +1

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. Charterhall
    Member

    There's several areas of Edinburgh that I'd like to see demolished but Morningside isn't one of them.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    @cc, there is a slight contradiction in your jocularly linking waitroses with traffic ban as both shops must contribute greatly to the traffic as they have managed to exist in high density suburbs because of rooftop car parks

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. cc
    Member

    @gembo got me there! But I think the now well established tendency of shop takings to leap skywards when a street is made a lot more attractive for active travel ought to keep Waitrose happy, and the car-borne shoppers won't be allowed onto Morningside Road when I rule the earth.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. cb
    Member

    In Waitrose it would be interesting to count how many people come into the shop down the stairs/lifts (i.e. by car) against the number coming in through the door (most probably on foot).

    Well, not that interesting. Much higher proportion of foot traffic than other supermarkets I'd wager.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. Charterhall
    Member

    I don't understand this thread. I presume that Morningside has been picked on because it is middle class, meaning that its residents are likely to be well educated, professional in their work ethic, to take care of their health, to take care of their environment and in many cases to enjoy cycling. Why would you want to demolish that ?

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  19. SRD
    Moderator

    I didn't go to the event, but I presume the idea is that we often demolish areas perceived to have social problems, while the speakers were suggest instead that the 'problem' is to do with inequality. That is, the diagnosis and 'solution' tagetting wrong focus.

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  20. Charterhall
    Member

    And how is 'demolishing' middle class areas going to help ?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. SRD
    Moderator

    i don't think it was a serious suggestion, more a way of getting us to think about the issues.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    @SRD that was my reading, they are referring to the alleged solution of knocking down the high rise buildings that were the perceived solutions themselves in the 1950s and 1960s, that kind of thing, not meant to be taken literally, just provocative.

    Middle class mahatma Gandhi quadrant leftist liberal types like myself, occasionally carry out research by trying to live in sink estates but they rarely last long. There is an activist in Glasgow who has lived in easterhouse for decades despite being middle class and the minister in muirhouse did it.

    Solutions proposed by the middle class for dealing with the underclass?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  23. SRD
    Moderator

    We had a fab minister in Polwarth who left to live in muirhouse on principle. miss her a lot.

    I'm a big fan of the easterhouses guy. Know some Jesuits like him in Zimbabwe too.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    "i don't think it was a serious suggestion, more a way of getting us to think about the issues."

    I assumed that to be true and almost went, but decided it wasn't quite the Festival entertainment I was looking for and suspected (perhaps wrongly) that the 'thought provoking' bit wouldn't come up with many usable 'answers'.

    "alleged solution of knocking down the high rise buildings that were the perceived solutions themselves in the 1950s and 1960s"

    Yes - 'housing'.

    At various times better housing has been seen as 'the answer' and in many senses it was/is.

    Houses in Craigmillar were much better than the single-ends and tiny tenement flats that families moved from.

    But I have family connections to people who weren't so keen on the shiny new settlement on the edge of the city and some moved back to the South Side as soon as they could.

    Rich people seem to like tower blocks - New York, London etc. - so it's not the type of building as such - though design/build on the cheap and inadequate maintenance (spending) will limit function and longevity.

    As I mentioned on another thread, Craigmillar had the population of Mussleburgh, but without as many shops and general social infrastructure that small towns develop (over time).

    When it was first built there were half a dozen breweries, a creamery and pits close by.

    Without easy access to employment the character of the area changed and much of it became 'hard to let' with a continuing downward spiral of inadequate maintenance resulting in the demolition of large amounts of basically sound housing units.

    Today there is a mix of new housing and a lot of empty space waiting for (re-) development. Close by, more housing on green field sites.

    By contrast the 'inner city' - including Tollcross, South Side, Gorgie-Dalry, parts of Leith - benefitted (mostly 70s and 80s) from grants to upgrade - adding baths and showers etc. for the first time.

    The original Craigmillar Primary (building) survives due to the random consequences of an Edinburgh College of Art student painting a mural in the dining hall. He later became a highly regarded Scottish Painter and the mural became "listed" - and so did the building surrounding it.

    But not the housing - even though the architect of both also produced the Police Boxes that lie unused across the city (a few are coffee kiosks).

    There are a few in Morningside. One serves coffee.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  25. KarenJS
    Member

    I work in Craigmillar, where is the old primary school? Have to say I love the open green spaces at the moment tho doubt that will last long.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

  27. KarenJS
    Member

    Oh, I hadn't realised it was SPACE! Tho it seems obvious now you say it. Is it possible just to go in and have a look? I love the mural.

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  28. chdot
    Admin

  29. KarenJS
    Member

    Thanks for the info!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  30. SRD
    Moderator

    further from a friend:

    Could you please let the person know that the John Maxwell mural, entitled Children's Games and Amusements is available to see, it was restored using a Heritage Lottery grant - best to contact the building owner Castlerock Edinvar on 659 4700 to arrange.

    Posted 11 years ago #

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