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Margaret Atwood and cycling

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  • Started 11 years ago by Cyclingmollie
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  1. Cyclingmollie
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    This is going to sound like a Fishing Times writer reviewing War and Peace with an emphasis on the fishing but I'm a big fan of Margaret Atwood's work and I thought I'd mention the references she made to cycling and cyclists during her appearance at the Book Festival this evening.

    Her reading was from Madd Addam; Jeb's escape from the air crash. Reduced to wearing stinking furs and eating raw bear meat he spots two mountain bikers on a trail. They're described as everything he's not: skinny and mad; thighs pumping, wrapped in skin-tight sportswear, panniers filled with Jeb's needs. He pushes the second rider over and steals his bike; escaping the wilderness with the machine the cyclist was using to escape civilisation. I got the feeling Atwood doesn't have much time for the lycra-clad side of cycling.

    In the question and answer session, the last question was a brave one. "Would you describe yourself as a feminist?" "Define feminist" replied Atwood. She asked the audience how we would vote on freedoms once denied women, seguing into restrictions still placed on women by certain groups and neatly widening the question out. Cycling was one of the freedoms she mentioned, once curtailed for the suspicion that it caused "cycling face" and led to people having sex. It was a brilliant answer because we had all, of course, in the audience voted ourselves feminists on a range of issues (albeit mainly by the standards of the past).

    As we left "Bicycle Race" by Queen was played over the PA which caused some laughter. An excellent event.

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  2. Charterhall
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    "Cycling was one of the freedoms she mentioned, once curtailed for the suspicion that it caused "cycling face" and led to people having sex."

    I hesitate to ask but curiosity gets the better of me, what on earth is she on about ?

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  3. gembo
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    Cycling face maybe windburn?

    Sex maybe cycling gets your juices pumping or maybe it just got you to out of the way places for privacy in earlier times?

    I have read and enjoyed a number of atwood's novels, she is very prolific. Also used to write a lot of poetry

    I once got to ask Linton kwesi Johnston a question about C.LR. James and a book festival gig. The dub poet nursed the Marxist cricket writer before his death

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  4. Charterhall
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    Both of those explanations also apply to rambling. Why is she picking on cycling ?

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  5. sallyhinch
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    Back in the 1890s or so when many women took up cycling & it became a bit of a craze, there were lots of cautionary articles in the press about such hazards as 'cycling face' and other dangers to women. Bikes have often been cited as one of the forces in the emancipation of women (there's a quote by Susan B. Anthony which I can't quite recall just now and cbatg) - from changing the way they dressed, to giving them the freedom to get out and about without needing a man to drive them in a carriage. I suspect also that the fact that actively riding a bike can't do much for the state of your hymen probably added to the moral panic.

    So I would have thought Margaret Atwood was probably on the side of the bike, along with other freedoms for women - not sure what her beef is against the mountain bikers except she's also a big bird watcher and may not be keen on having her peace and quiet disturbed because it's on someone else's gnarly singletrack.

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  6. sallyhinch
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    Aha - here's the link for 'bicycle face' http://www.brainpickings.org/index.php/2012/01/03/donts-for-women-on-bicycles-1895/

    I suspect something a bit like race face?

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  7. gembo
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    For quite a fierce feminist Atwood can also be quite whimsical and mischievous. She won't be picking on cycling, just turning a well honed phrase, don't hold it against her, read some of her books. The Edible Woman more accessible with some laughs, compared to say the Handmaid's Tale which is pretty heavy. As with woody Allen's films it looks like I prefer the earlier funnier ones

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  8. gembo
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    @sallyhinch, some excellent 1895 dont's for female cyclists, many chauvinistic but some applicable today to everyone (lights, Highway Code etc)

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  9. Charterhall
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    So a few presumably male writers try to dissuade women from cycling 120 years ago. For how long I wonder are feminists going to hold this against men ?

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  10. sallyhinch
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    ??

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  11. gembo
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    That wasn't my take on the list, it was a mix of practical advice and mildly sexist musings but re-posted for amusement. Nobody bothered I am pretty certain

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  12. Charterhall
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    Sounds like Ms Atwood is.

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  13. SRD
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    "hold it against men" ? I'd say hold it against society. It's a classic example of how 'societal norms' reveal thir illogic only a few years after they were 'accepted'. Keeping women from cycling relatively minor, but think of all the scientific discoveries tt could have been made if women had been allowed equal access to education, for example.

    Ever heard of Cecilia Payne-gaposchkin? Nope. Me neither.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/marcuschown/status/366132278381903874

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  14. wingpig
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    "For how long I wonder are feminists going to hold this against men ?"

    The specific discouragement from escape through cycling or the whole abhorrent suppression thing in general?

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  15. gembo
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    From the original post Atwood linked cycling to the emancipation of women. I imagine she would therefore be in favour of cycling.

    There is then some supposition that she is against Lycra clad mountain bikers as a character in her novel, who was previously dressed in bearskin and eating raw meat, so presumably deranged, pushes a mountain biker off his bike and escapes the wilderness the cyclists are escaping too. This is all meant to be comical?

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  16. Cyclingmollie
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    @gembo, fair enough. I don't know what her views are on mountain biking. The sequence is funny but you would have to read it to get the humour. Zeb imagines, from the distance between the female rider in front and the male rider at the back that there's been some kind of quarrel. She's taking it out on him by going too fast for him to keep up. The description of her physique, attitude and clothes was, I think, funny.

    After Zeb pushes over the cyclist and rides off he imagines the incident bringing the two cyclists together again. But what actually happens is that they report that they were attacked by a huge man-like hairy creature. Bigfoot researchers flood the area and the incident is presented as final irrefutable evidence for its existence and as a crushing blow for all deluded non-believers.

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  17. gembo
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    I thought it would be comical from reading other books she has written. I just put the question mark in to show I am aware not everyone might find it funny.

    I am reading a book from the mobile library called Konstantin based on real life nineteenth century Russian scientist who envisaged space travel. It is OK. Awaiting the sequel from the argentine police fiction writer Ernesto Mallo. In these books the police are the villains. So might go for the Atwood one before finishing parades end (same book four times)

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  18. Greenroofer
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    Those rules from 1895 are great. I like "Don't contest the right of way with cable cars". This echoes quite nicely with Edinburgh 118 years later (or probably 119 by the time they are actually running). It's definitely good advice for women (and equally for men nowadays, obviously).

    The question for me is whether in 1895 the author thought it was OK for men to "contest right of way with cable cars"...

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  19. Instography
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    The whole cycling face thing would be funnier and more laughably Victorian if similar notions weren't current in the idea that women should be worried about runner's face.

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  20. sallyhinch
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    That's a great link and almost made me want to take up running again - I loved the feeling of knowing I could outrun and catch any bus in London, any time I chose.

    It's true that low body fat gives pro cyclists a distinctive look (see Geraint Thomas now, compared with the fresh faced Welsh lad of a couple of years ago) but I think it's not something the rest of us have to worry about

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  21. crowriver
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    We had a discussion some time ago about women and cycling in the "old days".

    “bicycle face” — “an expression either anxious, irritable, or at best stony.”

    Full thread: http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6444

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  22. ih
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