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Edinburgh wins Cycling Facility of the Month

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  • Started 10 years ago by wee folding bike
  • Latest reply from gembo
  • poll: Westerns
    Searchers : (1 votes)
    17 %
    Rio Bravo : (2 votes)
    33 %
    Red River : (0 votes)
    Rio Grande : (3 votes)
    50 %

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  1. wee folding bike
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  2. gembo
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    Saw that on here or elsewhere earlier this week. Still not spotted the infrastructure

    John Wayne kissing Walter Brennan, dean Martin playing Barrachon to perfection, Ricky Nelson, Angie Dickenson means Rio Bravo shaves it for me

    the searchers is also amazing but more relentless. Best laugh when he tells the preacher at his brother's funeral to Put An Amen In It, so that he can get on with hunting down the Injuns who have stolen his niece Natalie wood, so that he can kill her. But then at the end - Come on Debbie, Let's go home.

    I like the cavalry ones too, especially if there is a fight involving Victor McLaglen

    She wore a yellow ribbon then as well as red river. Month Clift as troubled son is always good. poor Montgomery always tortured

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  3. ruggtomcat
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    there is no option for 'blazing saddles'

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  4. gembo
    Member

    Nor the coen bros. True Grit. They are in fact all John Wayne films. Wee folding bike is maybe a fan of Big Leggy?

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  5. wee folding bike
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    Guilty. I was watching Rio Bravo yesterday with the 7 yr old. It's not the first time he has seen it.

    I'm not convinced that Debbie Edwards is Ethan's niece. There is a wee moment between Ethan and Martha, witnessed silently by Captain Clayton, and the way Matha takes something out of Ethan's trunk. I think there is a name on one of the grave stones behind the house which is significant but I can't remember why.

    In the Deep Space Nine remake it is the daughter of the searcher. http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Indiscretion_(episode)

    I agree, Rio Bravo might just shade it. Even the songs, which are usually a downer, are good. I think the same tune was used in Red River. Monty Clift must have been one of the most good looking guys ever.

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  6. wee folding bike
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    Found it on imdb.

    A significant portion of the film's labyrinthine plot is revealed on a throwaway prop that most casual viewers rarely notice. Just before the Indian raid on the Edwards homestead, the tombstone (of Ethan's mother) that Debbie hides next to reveals the source of Ethan's glaring hatred for Comanches. The marker reads: "Here lies Mary Jane Edwards killed by Commanches May 12, 1852. A good wife and mother in her 41st year."

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  7. wee folding bike
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    Found a documentary on BBC 4. John Byrne the artist rides a Brompton round Edinburgh. It turns up a couple of times. He leaves it outside an art dealer and doesn't lock it. I assume the film crew kept an eye on it.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/i/b0392hqq/

    About 15 mins in and a couple of times after that. Looks like an M3L-X.

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  8. DaveC
    Member

    Jeepers I was really intrigued when I first read the title as 'Edinburgh wins cyclist fatality of the month'...

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  9. gembo
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    The searchers gets voted best western and best movie ever by many. Rotten tomatoes likes it. The director John Ford went for famous framing shots from doorways and of course monument valley. There is a whole lot happening that isn't done with dialogue. The tombstone revealing John Wayne's wife and children killed by commmanches. The repeatedly stabbing of John Wayne's hunting knife into the sand, after he comes out of the canyon where his first niece has been left by the commmanches. Looks between characters and the thing inthe trunk etc John Wayne also wears a verybfetchingnred and white checked shirt and assortment of hats to signify passage of time and shift of locations. So contrat of realism and staginess in a Wild West style western. Rio Bravo is total show business with the director Howard Hawks casting singers as actors. It has blood dripping into pints and of course Walter Brennan as Stumpy. Watched as a child, never forgotten tho my children do not have my love of westerns, they will tolerate watching them but I love them. Rio Bravo is an In Town Saloon Bar, Gun Slinger Cowboy Versus cowboy sub genre. There are only five sub genres according to french sociologist and window jumper Louis Althusser. Dorothy Parker said of westerns - You've seen a million, you've seen one. So not to everyone's Taste and plenty room for feminist critique.

    Shane, Magnificent Seven and Outlaw Josey Wales are other favourites of mine. The only bicycle in the entire oeuvre is used to good effect in musical interlude by Paul Newman in Butch Cassidy and he Sundance Kid. (SWIM? The fall will probably kill you)

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  10. crowriver
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    High Noon? Gunfight at the OK Corral?

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  11. kaputnik
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    Treasure of the Sierra Madre for me please. Western Noir.

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  12. AKen
    Member

    The only bicycle in the entire oeuvre is used to good effect in musical interlude by Paul Newman in Butch Cassidy and he Sundance Kid

    "The future's all yours, ya lousy bicycles".

    I think we should adopt that as the forum motto. Maybe get Paul Newman to do some PR.

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  13. chdot
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  14. AKen
    Member

    I see Butch prefers the purism of the single-speed gear.

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  15. Cyclingmollie
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    crowriver: "High Noon?"

    "In 1959, Wayne teamed up with director Howard Hawks to make Rio Bravo as a conservative response (to High Noon). Hawks explained, "I made Rio Bravo because I didn't like High Noon. Neither did Duke. I didn't think a good town marshal was going to run around town like a chicken with his head cut off asking everyone to help. And who saves him? His Quaker wife. That isn't my idea of a good Western."

    My favourite is "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" but I've not seen any of the ones on the list.

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  16. crowriver
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    @Cyclingmollie, you forgot this bit from Wiki:

    "Actor John Wayne disliked the film because he felt it was an allegory for blacklisting, which he actively supported. In his Playboy interview from May 1971, Wayne stated he considered High Noon "the most un-American thing I’ve ever seen in my whole life"and went on to say he would never regret having helped blacklist liberal screenwriter Carl Foreman from Hollywood. Ironically, Gary Cooper himself had conservative political views and was a "friendly witness" before HUAC* several years earlier, although he did not name names and later strongly opposed blacklisting."

    * House Un-American Activities Committee, chaired by Senator Joseph McCarthy, often referred to colloquially as the McCarthy Witch Hunt.

    Carl Foreman had been a Communist in the 1930s. After being blacklisted he moved to London, where he made 'Bridge Over the River Kwai', 'The Guns of Navarone', and 'Born Free', amongst others.

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  17. Cyclingmollie
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    crowriver, yes I thought I'd miss out the political aspect. I thought John Wayne was the best actor I'd ever seen until I was eleven or twelve. Once I learned about his politics (and they were inextricably linked to his films) I went off him and haven't really had a second look. I know Clint Eastwood is pushing a pretty right-wing agenda with his films (especially the Dirty Harry ones) but as he didn't intrude into politics directly (except as Mayor of Carmel) I don't mind.

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  18. wee folding bike
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    I usually find John Wayne's personal life a bit contradictory. I've read some fairly unpleasant things he said but then he also had Hispanic wives.

    Other actors, Jimmy Stewart, Kelsey Grammer have real life views quite far from those of characters which they portray and I'm OK with that.

    I'm still annoyed with Clint for remaking the Shootist.

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  19. gembo
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    Interesting trivia way down at the bottom of Wikipedia entry, Buddy Holly wrote That"ll Be The Day in 1956 after seeing The Searchers. Wayne's character has a catch phrase throughout the movie, yes you've guessed it That'll Be The Day

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  20. wee folding bike
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    The recordings I've found on iTunes have backing singers. I like this simple version.

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  21. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    So did Gabby Hayes walk with a limp because he was a sidekick?

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  22. wee folding bike
    Member

    Don't know about that but he was in Dirigible. I saw it once about 17 years ago. It's pretty good.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0021799/

    I had noticed a while back that I didn't have El Dorado. Just ordered it and the John Wayne True Grit so I've got my weekend sorted out. I already have Rooster Cogburn in a box of Hepburn DVDs.

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  23. gembo
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    El dorado is the same film as rio bravo with Robert Mitchum as dean Martin. Stumpy in rio bravo played by Walter Brennan (magnatom's great grandad)

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