Not a hint of a cycle facility in any of those pictures. Constitution Street, in particular, looks like hell to cycle on. No "lessons learned" whatsoever. These people are useless.
This looks like a job for the Council's Cycling Champion...
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Leith Walk Project
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So glad I have just secured a new job out at Saughton and wont have to engage with any of this nonsense while it is being built. Does sound as if at last they are actually thinking about delivery lorries and enforcement; good otherwise knowing the local drivers, they'd park in the tram lane.
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Re: Constitution Street, obviously cyclists will have to invest in one of these:
Yoof version:
If you happen to have a friendly extraterrestrial lodging with you for the festival, then you can dispense with the hell blades:
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Drivers are now fly to the cyclists advanced green light at the junction of Leith Walk with McDonald Road and Brunswick Road, as you notice that the engines which switch off when the vehicle is stationary miraculously spring back to life when the light turns green for bikes!
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So they should be renamed "Gentlemen*, start your engines" lights?
*Other genders available
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“They will be paying for it. And allegedly capacity is increasing. I think the worst "chaos" will be around alternative cross-city routes.”
London Road is already a very busy route. If you think it’s not a problem, I challenge you to cross at walking pace the junction of London Road with Montrose Terrace. They have shortened the pedestrian sequence so it’s impossible to cross in one go. It was difficult beforehand, but at least was possible northbound. It is now impossible in either direction. You have to run. If you don’t make it across Montrose Terrace you have four lanes of motor vehicles gunning their engines and racing towards you in unison: very intimidating. Previously it was two lanes in each direction with one side at red most of the time. You also have to beware of traffic (and soon, extra buses from Leith Walk) turning right across you.
My daughter has to walk across this junction on her way to and from primary school, with several hundred other children. My son also walks this junction on his way to high school in the city centre.
“Aren't they mostly/all going via St. Andrew Square (where it looks like they will have an increased degree of exclusivity)?”
The 22 will mercifully go via York Place, but the 7 and 14 will be diverted east along London Road and Regent Road. Many of the other buses have only minor diversions but again Leith Street is not yet closed so we’ll have to wait and see how bad it actually is…
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David Key, new cycling champion:
"@davidkeysnp
Met with @SpokesLothian today to discuss concerns and joint meeting with @SpokesLothian and @Edinburgh_CC now set up for tomorrow."
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The only businesses that were killed off last time were those that wouldn't have lasted even without any tramworks or disruption.
I appreciate that some others did see a downturn in profits, but they're still going today. Hopefully the planned compensation scheme for local businesses will help this time around.
I also think that the makeup of retail and businesses (and those who shop in Leith Walk) has changed quite dramatically since the last tramworks, and they're not those who'd stop shopping just because of roadworks since they mostly don't drive there to shop!
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"I also think that the makeup of retail and businesses (and those who shop in Leith Walk) has changed quite dramatically since the last tramworks, and they're not those who'd stop shopping just because of roadworks since they mostly don't drive there to shop!"
Exactly. The clients of the various bars, cafes and restaurants that have sprung up are walkers mainly. Ditto the convenience stores / 'local\ supermercados. Apart from the foot of the walk, all bank branches have closed so the only real losers will be furniture shops (new/second hand), that printers which has set up in a silly location anyway, and Greggs (essential bacon roll loading on pavement/double reds).
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To be fair though, we can't claim that unattractive pedestrian environment and blocked desire lines put off walkers when it's caused by road traffic, but will have no impact when it's something else. I think it's OK to moan a bit :P
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Crummock back on site on time, Brunswick Rd now closed full width for new site compound except 1 pavement. Pilrig St still open for time being.
The end of Dicksonfield would be an appropriate place to put a 'Cyclists dismount and use pavement' sign.
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"The end of Dicksonfield would be an appropriate place to put a 'Cyclists dismount and use pavement' sign."
You mean they haven't already?
How remiss...
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A deputation from Leith Central community council highlighted the decade of disruption the area had suffered since the start of preparatory work from trams before the original route was curtailed.
Vice-chair Harald Tobermann said he was in favour of trams in principle. But he said: “Ten years ago we saw the diggers and drills arriving and they have been with us ever since - we have had derelict pavements, uncertain yellow lines and utter chaos - and now you are asking for another five years of more construction work.”
He said it would affect people’s health, increase stress levels, disrupt waste collection and other council services and lead to more shops closing.
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For no good reason whatsoever the railings erected to block off Iona Street (along the Give Way line) were considered not quite enough and there's a row of cones blocking off the cycle lane in front of the railings. As if cars parked in the lane aren't problem enough.
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Back down to one lane in either direction... thankfully there's that not-open-yet cycle path... oh wait they've loaded it with "Road Works for 400 Years" signs.
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400 years? They're really cracking on with things these days.
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Dear Stakeholder
Stakeholder Update 109
Leith Programme – Phase 4 (Iona Street to Brunswick Street)
Our Contractor, Crummock, returned to site as of Monday 4th September to remobilise for the completion of the Phase 4 scope of works. At that time, Brunswick Road was closed to accommodate the site compound, and will remain so until the works are completed. Iona Street was also closed to allow commencement of works to realign the kerb line, commence the road surfacing works including the raised table construction and to complete the pavement slabbing. It is likely this will take up to 3 weeks to complete, during which time Iona Street will remain closed.
In addition to the above, we are also working in the following areas:
- Brunswick Street junction to complete the remain footpath slabbing to the S/E corner
- Croall Place to complete the remaining Scottish Water rectification works, and to resolve surface water drainage issues
- 2 nr road crossings on Leith Walk, North and South of Albert StreetNext week, we will continue with the works at Iona Street and Brunswick Street, and also at Croall Place, and will also commence the main surfacing works to Leith Walk, commencing just south of Pilrig Street. This will necessitate the additional closure to Middlefield to accommodate the surfacing works going past that junction, as well as the associated traffic management.
165 Leith Walk – Old Tram Depot Demolition
As previously communicated, the former tram depot (located at 165 Leith Walk) is to be demolished and the area cleared to house a creative workspace within part of this site.
Dalton Demolition mobilised on site on Monday 4th September, and commenced the survey and cleaning-out process prior to the demolition commencing towards the end of this month. Demolition will only commence on completion of the erection of safety scaffolding to specific points around the Depot. The full demolition is likely to take up to 6 months, with the majority of the Depot expected to be down prior to Christmas.
As advised previously, following completion of the demolition works the area will be cleared and a creative workspaces project will occupy part of this site with the smaller building at the front of the former depot (165a Leith Walk) being retained and refurbished to create a pilot partnership hub delivering local services.
Should you have any queries, or require any further information in regards to the above, please do not hesitate to make contact by using leith.programme@edinburgh.gov.uk.
Kind Regards
MichaelMichael Motion
Senior Project Manager, Infrastructure"
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My bold
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Stakeholder Update 110
Leith Programme – Phase 4 (Iona Street to Brunswick Street)
Proposed works and worksite locations for w/c 18th September:
- Kerb realignment has been completed at the Iona Street junction, and the footpath slabbing works will progress this week
- Completion of the footpath slabbing to the S/E corner of the Brunswick Street junction will continue this week
- Continuing the Scottish Water works at Croall Place, followed by the footpath reinstatement works
- Albert Street will close today for 2 weeks to accommodate the Leith Walk road re-surfacing works with associated traffic management and local diversions in place to accommodate these works
- Road surfacing works are continuing north to south on Leith Walk, are progressing well, and will be focussed on the East side going past Albert Street this weekTo clarify, the segregated cycleway remains out of use at this time and will not be formally put into use until all works have been completed and made good, and the safety markings have been applied to the cycleway. Signage will remain in place to highlight this. CEC will be implementing a safety communications campaign in advance of the cycleway, the bus stop bypasses and the 2-stage right turn for cyclists being put into use at the end of the contract, and this will commence within the next few weeks.
Should you have any queries, or require any further information in regards to the above, please do not hesitate to make contact by using leith.programme@edinburgh.gov.uk.
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Dear Stakeholder
Stakeholder Update 111
Leith Programme – Phase 4 (Iona Street to Brunswick Street)
Completion of the road surfacing works will be noticeable as we complete areas and move the major worksites southwards towards McDonald Road and Brunswick Street. With that being the case, we will now be closing both McDonald Road and Brunswick Street junctions on Wednesday morning, 27th September with local diversions put in place. This will coincide with the opening up of both Iona Street and Albert Street. McDonald Road and Brunswick Street will remain closed until completion of all works by the end of October, as will Brunswick Road where the site compound is located.
Proposed works and worksite locations for w/c 25th September:
- Completion of the raised tables at both the Iona Street and Albert Street junctions, allowing these to be re-opened as noted above.
- Final 20% of the footpath slabbing to the corner of the Brunswick Street junction will be carried out
- Continuing the Scottish Water works at Croall Place, followed by the footpath reinstatement works. We are aiming to have these critical works, being the replacement of lead water pipes, completed this week.
- Road re-surfacing to Leith Walk as noted aboveYou will also see some smaller remote worksites opening up, as we make good some previously noted defective works prior to full completion of the project.
Should you have any queries, or require any further information in regards to the above, please do not hesitate to make contact by using leith.programme@edinburgh.gov.uk.
Kind Regards
Michael"
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Thread of pix & comments
https://twitter.com/alexinthecities/status/911626148861349888
Posted 7 years ago # -
I've noticed that the honeymoon period of the red tarmac on the Leith Walk/Pilrig crossing has already passed and drivers are becoming increasingly likely to travel in a straight line as the cycle lane veers to the right around the bus stop lane. The result of course is you're likely to be swiped on your rear right by a fast-moving motor.
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Hmm. What do we think of that right turn thingmy then? I thought there was a better solution...
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"Copenhagen" turns have been criticised, however they do seem to work there.
Is it worth sacrificing convenience (two phases to make the manoeuvre instead of one) for safety? Is it actually any safer?
On balance, I'd give it the benefit of the doubt - I didn't object to them in Copenhagen, but there I was a tourist rather than simply going from A to B.
Robert
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Maybe it IS about traffic flow...
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“We believe the turn will improve junction safety and enable a better flow of people on bikes as they travel across the Capital.”
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This seems to be the way ahead, and the separation in time is the important bit. I like the thought of a bike phase in all directions. Quick and safe.
http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/search/label/simultaneous%20green
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