Why is a single person tripping on an armadillo relevant? People trip on kerbs all the time. It's just a lack of familiarity. People will get used to them and armadillos are an excellent, quick way to achieve a measure of segregation.
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Posted 7 years ago #
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@Harts - Armadillos are great, but there are options which people are less likely to trip on. Some cities use plastic bollards, which would be more visible and deter more parking (but less robust when inevitably run over).
Posted 7 years ago # -
That's true. But I don't think a trip on an Armadillo should dictate whether or not they are used.
Wands are obviously best, of course.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Armadillos are different from kerbs in the same way that tripwires are different from kerbs. Bollards are better cos they're a bit more visible but still less than ideal. I don't really understand what they achieve better than an angled kerb.
Posted 7 years ago # -
No. They are clearly visible, with a sizeable bump that is also easily felt by a blind person with a cane. A bit like a kerb - nothing like a trip wire!
Posted 7 years ago # -
I don't think anyone wants armadillos as a permanent thing. But they're great for quickly and cheaply creating segregation before actual tarmac and kerbs can be installed.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Do they do anything except trap non-motorists? They look very easily driveoverable to me.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Good grief, I can't believe all the negativity here about the cycle tracks.
As far as I'm concerned, it's a big improvement over mixing with heavy traffic and I'd like to see the rest of Leith Walk with the same features.
Posted 7 years ago # -
^What he said.
Posted 7 years ago # -
^what they said.
Heard back 're the phasing of the 2 stage right. Long set of reasons why they will keep the pedestrian phase after the LW green but they will monitor it.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Gosh well I am so terribly sorry I saw someone falling on an armadillo. I will keep quiet about any problems I see in future.
Posted 7 years ago # -
@Min
I thought your observation was useful. I haven't seen the installation yet so this thread is all I know. I can distinguish anecdote from comprehensive data quite well.
Posted 7 years ago # -
@min apologies if my post came across too harshly. Observations are always good.
There is a general point (not directed at anyone in particular) that 'we' aren't necessarily the target user of the new cycle lane and so can come across as negative to new infrastructure unless it allows us unhindered progress across town as fast as our legs will take us.
The question should always be 'what will get the next person onto their bike for the first time?'
Leith Walk isn't perfect and lessons can and should be learnt, but we need to take the council with us to make more and better segregated routes.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Something has been itching me about the tactile demarcation between the cycleway and footpath
It was chosen (so I am told) as the advice that was taken from the RNIB was that they won't accept an intermediate height of kerb as suitable, only full kerb or tactile paving.
What if in making the cycleway fully compliant in this regard, it's statistically less safe and more conflict prone because pedestrians at large are far more likely to drift over and walk in it?
I don't have the answer, but it's a question to stew on.
I am not observing major day to day issues on the track itself when I'm out and about, and a pleasantly high level of usage. I would love if there were a large and visible SUSTRANS counter (like the Meadows) located in the region of the kitchen showroom.
Posted 7 years ago # -
I watched a car drive on the cycle super highway at tower bridge a few years back one Sunday afternoon.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Hankchief, it's okay. I just wanted to talk about how it looked and, as I said on the previous page, I am glad users think it is okay.
Posted 7 years ago # -
The armadillos help somewhat (the obvious visual demarcation between cycle lane and road is good), but I've seen at least two cars parked on the southbound section in the past two weeks. Clearly double reds and physical barriers are simply not enough of a deterrent for some drivers...
Posted 7 years ago # -
Why don't they have wands on them?
Posted 7 years ago # -
For those interested, lots of relevant and interesting items on the agenda for LCCC next Monday at McDonald Rd library, 7pm start (estimated 2 hours)
Item 5
Presentation and Q&A: Review of Leith Programme Phase 4 and progress of Phase 5 and 6 by Michael Motion & Steven Jackson
Item 6
Transport & Clean Streets
… minimising impact of tram plans on LCCC area; street lighting problems; impact of Leith Street closure on LCCC area; Parking Working Group update; consultation on Parking Permit Diesel Surcharge; consultation on decluttering streets …Item 7
Parks & Green Spaces
… FoPP report including wall repairs at Pilrig Street; other park and friends groups; city trees; future use of Powderhall railway line …Posted 7 years ago # -
Nice to see that it looks like they're currently addressing the drainage problems created during the revamp of the bottom part of Leith Walk (especially the 'Olympic-sized swimming pool' that appears at the bus stop by Casselbank Street every time there's any rain).
Posted 7 years ago # -
“
Dear Stakeholder
Stakeholder Update 116 - Leith Programme
Leith Programme – Phase 4
In our last communication (27th October) we explained that the Contractor would be commencing the making good of defective works within remote worksites on Leith Walk. This work is progressing well and we have taken the opportunity to also make good some defects in the work carried out during Phase 2 of the Leith Programme between the Foot of the Walk and Dalmeny Street.
Our current programme is as follows:
Replace bus shelter and install bus tracker at Albert Street – Complete
Phase 2 remedial works as above – Due to complete by 24th November
Make good surfacing to the southbound bus stop bypass at Shrubhill – Due to complete by 1st December
Resolve ponding issue to Brunswick Street cycleway – Due to complete by 1st December
Remove temporary footway ramps at Iona Street and Albert Street – Due to complete by 1st December
General making good works to kerbs and road/footway chambers – Due to complete by 1st DecemberThank you for bearing with us as we complete these works.
Should you require any further information, please do not hesitate to contact the Leith Programme Email address: leith.programme@edinburgh.gov.uk
Kind regards
MichaelMichael Motion
Leith Programme Project TeamTurner & Townsend Limited
“
Posted 7 years ago # -
Went down Leith Walk for the first time since the new lanes went in. I liked them. Needed to slow down for the odd pedestrian, but I can cope with that.
Tried the two-stage right turns. Again, if you're in too much of a rush, they seem to work very well. If you are in a rush, you're probably happy to turn right the old-fashioned way. I actually used them to do a three-stage U-turn.
The Leith Street bike lane wasn't working nearly as well. Rang my bell at one point, and a steward just laughed and said "good luck mate". Signage might have improved since it was first set up, but it's still horribly inadequate.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Cannae make it either, still on a train...
Posted 6 years ago # -
Cycle lane (northbound) at Pilrig Street junction closed this morning. Workies were removing armadillos. What's happening here?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Maybe an important motor car tried to swing in to park in the cycle lane and hurt its poor week springs, requiring revenge.
Posted 6 years ago # -
To the general disbelief last night at LCCC we were told that armadillos are going to be removed because of complaints of tripping hazard.
Posted 6 years ago # -
No hyperbole
This will undermine the usefulness of the entire scheme
The lanes were constantly blocked by left turners and parking at both Scotmid and Tesco before they went in
They were mostly clear with them.
Posted 6 years ago #
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