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Leith Walk Project
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Posted 6 years ago #
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Can
wesomeone spray them with reflective paint too?ETA oh yes, they used tape. And GLUE. What sort of glue would stick to tarmac? Hypothetically speaking?
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Masonry glue, apparently, hypothetically
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Hypothetically, where would one get a large number of plungers on the cheap?
I'm thinking of branching out into the letting business, obviously.
Posted 6 years ago # -
B&Q come in at £4.24/plunger: http://www.diy.com/departments/rothenberger-plastic-handle-rubber-force-cup-plunger-w-120mm-l-268mm/139426_BQ.prd
Homebase are £1.47/plunger: https://www.homebase.co.uk/value-sink-plunger_p125405
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What if concrete were to accidentally spill from the back of a bike trailer and create a kerb like mound?
Posted 6 years ago # -
So when shall we arrange a Dublin stand in for then? I can do it most mornings.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Friday?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Big Lesley has spoken:
CllrLesleyMacinnes
@lmacinnessnp
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Replying to @harts_cyclery @davidfkeySNP @CllrChasBooth
I spoke to officials this pm (real concern voiced about visibility of armadillos esp in dark and danger of someone tripping INTO traffic). Temporary removal only. Intend to replace ASAP with something better/more visible, to errant car parkers and others!Posted 6 years ago # -
I asked if she meant wands. Awaiting an answer.
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Cllrs Rae and McNeese-Mechan are on the case too, very quick responses from both. Cllr Booth is chasing this too.
Quietly hopeful...
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Sounds promising - I know it's not the majority view here but I do feel armadillos pose more risks than regular kerbs for a few reasons. Even though there is an element of double standards I would prefer it if the first major segregated infrastructure project didn't get a reputation for felling pedestrians, however justified it is. If it means we get something better, like widely spaced, more visible (and lorry-blocking) bollards, then great!
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Got an email reply from Lesley too. She is looking a replacement barrier asap, as per her tweet, but doesn't want to say exactly what at this stage as she can't confirm exactly what it'll be. Encouraging stuff, to be fair. Albeit still presentationally, not great.
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Something like this would be good:
I'd settle for this though:
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Yes, either would be great.
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Good to get a quick response but why can't this stuff get done right first time? There are so many good examples to learn from.
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Indeed, Stickman. Once again, the cooncil have been undone by half-arsedness.
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The mood I sensed from the room were different, who prefer to minimise disruption to Leith Walk, who wants it to be done now because we are in the 7th year, who wants it to be done properly (long grass approach?).
The general consensus anyway was the sooner, the better. At least the project manager is looking into developing the two solutions so that the work can start straight after the decision.
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armadillos pose more risks than regular kerbs for a few reasons
Agree
Scheme could have copied kerb design of Meadows to Innocent throughout
But choice was made for less intuitive "on the pavement" design that brings pedestrians and cyclists into conflict and essentially gives up entirely at junctions.
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Hm, but problem with Meadows to Innocent segregated bits is cars parking and driving on it? Mind you cars/vans/lorries park and drive on the brand new Leith Walk footways too...
Basically we've got risk averse council bods versus risk taking scofflaw drivers. Wonder who'll prevail on a daily basis?
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So does anyone know how people were actually tripping over the armadillos? They weren't over the pedestrian crossings.
Were they actually tripping over them, or is it all hypothesised?
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Reading between the lines I get the feeling that something has happened rather than just complaints
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It's a shame they didn't put in something temporary (those white/red plastic things with a couple of gaps where needed?) at the same time.
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"white/red plastic things"
traffic cones? Would have been better than nowt.
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I meant the interlocking barriers which alternate between red and white. This kind of thing. Traffic cones would've been even easier!
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There's also that interlocking rubber kerb stuff, as currently employed in 'temporary' roundabout centres nearby and blocking off the end of Gayfield Square.
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@Rob Oh yes, good idea!
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I had previously complained to the project that the armadillos were not visible enough to drivers, particularly coming up thru the Pilrig St junction, and was told they wanted to avoid the unnecessary clutter of a bollard at the beginning.
So long as they’re being replaced by something else *soon* I am hopeful that this has been a useful lesson that even the cheapest form of soft segregation makes lanes function a lot more like they should.
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Dougal So does anyone know how people were actually tripping over the armadillos? They weren't over the pedestrian crossings.
Were they actually tripping over them, or is it all hypothesised?
Maybe it was because within about 5 minutes of first noticing the armadillos that I saw someone going rear end over mammary gland that I don't have a problem with the concept of people tripping over them. The spill I saw was at Iona Street where there is no pedestrian crossing but it doesn't matter. People do what people do and they will cross streets away from the pedestrian crossing. You have to acknowledge that. Just like you have to acknowledge that drivers will park in cycle lanes without a physical barrier to stop them.
I am glad they are going to be replaced with something better (I hope!)
Harts I'm angry now (not with you, Min :-) )
That's okay, I didn't think you were. I didn't do anything after all!
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