"I noticed last weekend that the tactile slabs laid on corners of Jane Street and Stead Place with Leith Walk have not been lowered."
is it possible that crossing is being raised?
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Posted 10 years ago #
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"So it's still a level, if slower, playing field"
Quicker for pedestrians... no more waiting several minutes after pressing a decoy button.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Ed1 - the law* states that vehicles only have to stop at a zebra crossing when a pedestrian is on the carriageway. In effect, pedestrians have to step out in front of traffic to get it to stop. The fact that most people stop if it looks like someone wants to cross is simply down to their good nature/a misunderstanding of the law (delete as applicable).
* Zebra, Pelican and Puffin Pedestrian Crossings Regulations and General Directions 1997
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Presumably if a pedestrian is in a position where they could step into the crossing a driver needs to be going at a speed which would allow them to stop before the crossing. So if a pedestrian is waiting by the crossing then an approaching car would need slow down and be ready to stop.
Posted 10 years ago # -
I hope this belisha business is a strong indication that the Council is not planning to reverse plans to give Leith Walk a 20mph speed limit...
Posted 10 years ago # -
acsimpson - sounds reasonable, but the vehicle wouldn't have to stop unless the pedestrian stepped onto the crossing.
Posted 10 years ago # -
"Finally."
I agree. All High Streets should have regularly-spaced zebra crossings. The ability to cross more-or-less at will is an essential feature of a civilised street. And the law needs to be changed to give priority to people showing intent to cross.
Posted 10 years ago # -
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Dear Stakeholders,
Leith Programme Stakeholder Update 58
Progress Update:
The programme remains on schedule to be finished by the planned completion date of 19 December
Section 6b West (Balfour Street northwards):
· Slabbing works in progress
· Kerb realignment in progress
· New gully installedSection 8c West (Casselbank Street area)
· Kerb realignment complete
· Slabbing works in progressCarriageway
· Planing and basecourse works 100% complete in southern sections
· 30% complete in northern sections
· Anticipated start for laying of surface course – week commencing 10 NovemberLooking ahead for next week:
· Continue with slabbing works in footpath areas 6 & 8
· Continue with carriageway works in northern sections
· Continue with remedial/correction works on footway and carriagewayLeith Walk Traffic Regulation Order (TRO) Reports
On 28 October 2014, Transport and Environment Committee gave its approval to set aside the single objection and to make the TRO for the proposed road layout in the area between Balfour Street and Lorne Street, meaning that our Contractors can progress working on the proposed road layout in that area. In addition, following the public hearing held in early September, the independent reporter appointed to consider objections received to the TRO for the larger area covering Pilrig Street to Crown Place has recommended that no changes need be made to the Council’s currently proposed measures, as amended in response to these objections.
If you are interested, copies of both reports can be found on our Leith Programme web pages:
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/info/20182/regeneration/835/leith_programme
Regards
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Posted 10 years ago # -
Found this photo* of the new "bike lanes" north of Pilrig in use......by parked cars. Remind anyone of anything? I'll give you a clue. Starts with Q, has B in the middle, ends with a C.
Quality bike infra! Trust Leith Walk motorists to really go for it: not content with legal parking space? How about some good old fashioned Leith Walk illegal double parking? Just like the "good old days"!
* - Posted in the PoP Fb group.
Posted 10 years ago # -
The threat of a mobile council car-crusher would have this problem sorted in a few days.
The problem we will get on Leith Walk (it used to be the Greenways, before that plain old double parking) is well established to the point of being endemic and is one of a bad attitude being allowed to persist by a lack of enforcement. Why the council don't open a Leith Walk ticket warden base is beyond me, they'd be raking it in.
I think the only thing that will get the council to take enforcement seriously is when (if) the tram ever gets down Leith Walk.
Posted 10 years ago # -
"Why the council don't open a Leith Walk ticket warden base is beyond me, they'd be raking it in."
Apparently the 'deal' is that enforcement is on hold until LW is 'finished.
I think one tram legacy is that parking restrictions somehow became 'invalid'.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Didn't I read somewhere (it might even be on this thread...) that "they" are going to wait until all the Leith Walk work is finished, then have a week or two of warning people that parking is about to be enforced, and then enforce it, hard?
The problem is that double parking isn't a traffic warden issue, is it? Could they ask the police to join in on the enforcement (just like the police do projects on getting cyclists to have lights, for example)?
EDIT: cross-posted with chdot...
Posted 10 years ago # -
Since the police will say they dont have the resources, let the neds police LW. Any illegally parked vehicle can be vandalised at will. I'd enjoy swinging my d-lock all the way up and down.
Will never eat at La Favourita, or patronise any business that allows its staff to block cycle lanes.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Looks like there is room to thread your way between the double parked cars there, crowriver.
Of course if they lost a mirror as you went through (or if you had a washing machine on trailer) that would be a bad thing wouldn't it... ;)
Posted 10 years ago # -
If it's anything like the Shore revamp a few years ago, which removed parking and made it one way for everything other than buses and bikes, you'll probably find that the council haven't actually applied for the necessary TROs and you'll have over a year to wait until they can get them, go to court to overrule the single objector and then finally be free to enforce them.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Thing that always gets me about Leith Walk (and a few other places) is the cars that would be double parked if there happened to be a car parked in the spaces to the left of them. I've actually seen a car parked in the bus / cycle lane with its hazards on (so must be all right then I suppose!) with no car in the space to the left of it nor the 3 / 4 spaces either before or after where they are parked!
What's that all about?
Posted 10 years ago # -
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Dear Stakeholders,
Leith Programme Stakeholder Update 59
Progress Update:
The programme remains on schedule to be finished by the planned completion date of 19 December
Section 6b West (Balfour Street northwards):
· Slabbing and grouting works in progressSection 8b East (Manderston Street area north)
· Main slabbing and kerbing works complete, grouting in progressSection 8c West (Casselbank Street area)
· Lifting and removal of existing slabs and laying of new slabs in progressCarriageway
· Planing and basecourse works 100% complete in southern sections
· 80% complete in northern sections
· Anticipated start for laying of final surface/wearing course – week commencing 10 NovemberWeekend Working – 8/9 November (Stead’s Place junction)
In order to ensure work remains on schedule, the contractors will be carrying out carriageway surfacing at the Stead’s Place junction on Saturday 8 and Sunday 9 November 2014. The junction will be closed during this period and a temporary diversion will be in place.Looking ahead for next week:
· Commence with wearing course layer of carriageway
· Commence with raised tables at road junctions
· Continue with slabbing works in footpath areas 6 & 8
· Continue with remedial/correction works on footway and carriageway"
Posted 10 years ago # -
@twinspark, because the police (dont) enforce on double parking, and the blue meanies do double lines etc. The bit that I dont understand with this is that LW is 30 minutes free parking; are they really going to sit there for 30 minutes in the bus lane?
Posted 10 years ago # -
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Dear Stakeholders,
Leith Programme Stakeholder Update 60
Progress Update:
The programme remains on schedule to be finished by the planned completion date of 19 December
Section 6b West (Balfour Street northwards):
· North section completed, grouting works in progress
· Kerbing and slabbing works to south section in progressSection 8b East (Manderston Street area north)
· Main slabbing and kerbing works complete, grouting in progressSection 8c West (Casselbank Street area)
· South section all works complete
· Kerb realignment complete to northern section where works to services and lifting and removal of existing slabs ongoingSection 8c East (Crown Street northwards):
· Kerb re-alignment complete
· Works to gullies and services in progress along with lifting and removal of existing slabsCarriageway
· Planing and basecourse works 100% complete in southern sections
· Planing and basecourse 95% complete in northern sections
· Final surface/wearing course starting 12 NovemberWeekend Working – 15/16 November
In order to ensure work remains on schedule, the contractors will be carrying out weekend work on Saturday 15 and Sunday 16 November 2014. This will include both footway and carriageway works. The carriageway works will centre around the entrance to the NHS Lothian clinic at 140 Leith Walk.Looking ahead for next week:
· Continue with slabbing works in footpath areas 6 & 8
· Continue with carriageway final surfacing
· Continue with remedial/correction works on footway and carriageway
· Commence with raised tables at road junctionsBus diversion information reminder:
For the most up to date information regarding any bus diversions affecting Leith Walk please visit either of the sites below:
https://twitter.com/on_lothianbuses
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Posted 10 years ago # -
Greener Leith article - Could Leith Walk lose a cycle lane but gain a tram?
"...it would appear that all the draft designs for improving the southern end of the street have been ripped up."
Posted 10 years ago # -
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@SpokesLothian: We still expect seg cycling Picardy & down http://t.co/k6ZDTONNEs [para1410] but @greenerleith less sure http://t.co/C4N6esjv6U @CyclingEdin
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Posted 10 years ago # -
Hilarious that it's an "exemplar" cycle lane when it's not even a firm draft yet and probably ripe to be scrapped. "If wishes were cycle lanes," etc.
Posted 10 years ago # -
There's only one question remaining then - will the Scottish Government confirm that it won't hand over the millions earmarked for Leith Walk, since we're not going to get our commuter corridor but a tram track instead?
This is the minimum we should demand IMO, in the same way that the New Forest has just been given the shaft for trying to
misappropriate moneyspend ring-fenced funds in an inappropriate way.Posted 10 years ago # -
There's a simple solution, surely?
Reduce the southern end of Leith Walk to one lane of traffic in each direction. Either that, or get rid of all the car parking, loading bays, left filter lanes, etc.
I mean, look at Elm Row: segregated end-on car parking behind a fence, hedges and trees, a wide pavement and a bus stop. Yet no room for segregated cycle lanes?
Posted 10 years ago # -
The previous design totally subordinated pedestrians and cyclists to the greater priority of motorised transport. I would suggest that, if the new designs are significantly worse, there should be some kind of protest.
Posted 10 years ago # -
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greenerleith (@greenerleith)
19/11/2014 15:53
@adamrmcvey Specifically, cld you confirm dedicated bike lane is still to run from Pilrig St to Picardy Pl? @SpokesLothian @CyclingEdin"
Posted 10 years ago # -
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greenerleith (@greenerleith)
19/11/2014 15:53
@adamrmcvey Specifically, cld you confirm dedicated bike lane is still to run from Pilrig St to Picardy Pl? @SpokesLothian @CyclingEdin"
Posted 10 years ago # -
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Adam McVey (@adamrmcvey)
19/11/2014 17:00
@CyclingEdin @greenerleith @SpokesLothian design being worked on now, don't know why you think it's on hold...."
Posted 10 years ago # -
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Dear Stakeholders,
Leith Programme Stakeholder Update 61
Progress Update:
The programme remains on schedule to be finished by the planned completion date of 19 December
Section 6b East (Lorne Street junction southwards)
· Drainage alterations and slabbing in progressSection 6b West (Balfour Street northwards):
· North section completed, grouting works ongoing
· Kerbing and slabbing works to south section ongoingSection 8b East (Manderston Street area north)
· Main slabbing and kerbing works complete, grouting ongoingSection 8c West (Casselbank Street area)
· South section all works complete
· Kerb realignment complete to northern section
· Works to gullies and lifting and removal of existing slabs in progressSection 8c East (Crown Street northwards):
· Kerb re-alignment complete
· Works to gullies in progress along with lifting and removal of existing slabsCarriageway
· Planing and basecourse works 100% complete in southern sections
· Planing and basecourse 100% complete in northern sections
· Final surface/wearing course undertaken to date – north of Stead’s Place to Crown PlaceAnticipated final surfacing timescales at junctions (subject to change due to weather conditions and/or issues with existing ironwork)
· Friday 21 November – Junctions at Manderston, Jane and Casselbank Streets
· Sunday 23 November – Junction at Stead’s Place
· Monday 24 November – Junctions at Crown Street and Crown PlaceWeekend Working – 22/23 November
In order to ensure work remains on schedule, the contractors will be carrying out weekend work on Saturday 22 and Sunday 23 November 2014. This will involve footway work on Saturday and carriageway work on Sunday. The carriageway works will centre around the area at the Stead’s Place junction.Looking ahead for next week:
· Continue with slabbing works in footpath areas 6 & 8
· Continue with carriageway final surfacing heading south
· Continue with footway inspections and remedial works
· Progress raised table work at road junctionsBus diversion or traffic delay information reminder:
For the most up to date information regarding any bus diversions and any traffic delays affecting Leith Walk please visit either of the sites below:
https://twitter.com/on_lothianbuses
https://twitter.com/edintravel
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Posted 10 years ago # -
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Dear Stakeholders,
Leith Programme Stakeholder Update 62
Progress Update:
The programme remains on schedule to be finished by the planned completion date of 19 December
Section 6b East (Lorne Street junction southwards)
· Drainage alterations and slabbing works continueSection 6b West (Balfour Street northwards):
· Grouting works ongoingSection 8b East (Manderston Street area north)
· Grouting works ongoingSection 8c West (Casselbank Street area)
· Works to gullies and lifting and removal of existing slabs in progressSection 8c East (Crown Street northwards):
· Works to gullies in progress along with lifting and removal of existing slabsCarriageway
· Final surface/wearing course undertaken to date – north of Stead’s Place to Crown Place
· Raised tables at junctions completed at Jane Street, Casselbank Street, Crown Place, and Manderston StreetWeekend Working – 29/30 November
In order to ensure work remains on schedule, the contractors will be carrying out weekend work on Saturday 29 and Sunday 30 November 2014. This will involve carriageway resurfacing work.Anticipated surfacing timescales (subject to weather conditions)
· Friday 28 November – Balfour Street to New Orchardfield
· Saturday 29 November - Jameson Place northwards
· Sunday 30 November – Layby resurfacing
· Monday 01 December – Arthur Street southwards
· Tuesday 02 December – Raised tables at Dalmeny Street and Arthur Street junctions
· Thursday 04 December – Surfacing at Iona Street junction (Iona Street closed at junction on 4th December – Traffic diversion via Buchanan Street and Dalmeny Street)Looking ahead for next week:
· Continue with footpath area works in sections 6 & 8
· Continue with carriageway final surfacing
· Continue with footway inspections and remedial works
· Continue with raised tables at road junctionsBus diversion or traffic delay information reminder:
For the most up to date information regarding any bus diversions and any traffic delays affecting Leith Walk please visit either of the sites below:
https://twitter.com/on_lothianbuses
https://twitter.com/edintravel
Regards
Alan"
Posted 9 years ago #
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