Gembo I hope you win. There was 12 years of well organised opposition to development of the polo fields but that didn't count for anything once the developers appealed to Govt.
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"Pressure on green belt as 10,000 homes to be built"
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anyone on the 44 bus route with kids coming up for secondary most welcome
I'm on the 44 bus route, but nice as it is, Balerno's a bit far for the kids to travel to... No doubt folk further east than me feel the same way.
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crowriver - the only way to challenge a Ministerial planning decision is through judicial review. The review can only be on a point of law and not on the planning merits of the decision. This is a time consuming and invariably very expensive process, with no guarantee of success.
gembo - if you want to chat planning at some point, then I'm more than happy to do so.
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Private developers wanting to build in special zones will be asked to fork out hundreds of thousands of pounds before even laying a brick in what is believed to be a first for a Scottish city.The new scheme planned for Edinburgh would require companies to pay a flat charge of as much as £300,000 per hectare for the right to build in boom areas identified as ripe for housing.
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Blimey. They're going to run out of brown envelopes pretty quickly!
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@crowriver, good point. I moved to Balerno because the schools were good and I like to live in the catchment area for the schools my children go to. Turns out I only made that by a few numbers, I live in the original development of the hamlet of Balerno that went on in 1870s near the train station, the village moved west in the 1960s and 70s (onto green fields).
The 44 that arrives in Balerno around 8.15 is busy with pupils who have come from the east but the kids I am aware of are town centre, then Haymarket, Gorgie , chesser slateford.
The high school roll is under capacity just now so the school is receptive to this (technically they are pinching other schools' pupils but that view is my own and my opinions were formed in the crucible of resistance against Margaret thatcher.
The primary is fairly full.
@morningsider, I could put you in touch with the campaigners but I would not think of you as a bad person if this was not something you wanted to do. I think the developers are taking the mickey and need to be opposed but I am not against development per se.
I have had no sleep for the past 4 weeks because of nightly roadworks improving a surface tht was not very good but not as bad as other stretches of the road. Men in my garden recording noise levels with microphones, presumably in case I complained and they could say they weren't noisy enough. But I live on the main road so dem is da breaks.
Wondered about ear plugs, but how do you wake up? My job in morning starts with getting everyone up.
As phil and Kirsty often point out if you buy a house with a view, check the planning for the
land you are looking at. people are right to object as the builders are using dirty tricks, I just feel some sympathetic plans should be allowed (none of the plans are sympathetic).Posted 11 years ago # -
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“Bringing new houses and people to live back in the city centre is an important aspect of the regeneration as is its potential to attract tourists and the creation of new festival spaces.”"
http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/heritage/caltongate-will-become-nowheresville-critics-1-3122501
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I'm sure developers are all too aware that a cash-strapped council being offered more council tax receipts and a new school is potentially going to be slightly less objective in its decision making than it otherwise might.
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Shows a slightly wider perspective being taken by this application? We build 600 houses, families move in, no school, not good. OK we will build you a school. Presumably this would then be rented to the authority. We will build and give you a school would remove their profit. The reason why many applications round my way get declined at the planning stage, when the people who moved to the estates built on the farm land in the 1970s object to development on the greenbelt is that the developers seem to think 600 more houses will be fine for the road capacity, when in fact that is already breached. However, the new strategy is to pile in the applications for development in the hope that one gets through. Maybe they should propose building a new road that can become a toll road into Edinburgh that can generate cash for the council?
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If at rush hour you’re sitting fuming in your car or swaying halfway up the aisle of a packed bus, you’ll be forgiven for thinking that Edinburgh’s traffic problems can’t get any worse. Think again.Because the city is on the brink of a population explosion unknown in living memory – and that means more people needing to get about.
According to the National Records of Scotland, Edinburgh is set to grow by nearly a quarter in the next 20 years or so, rising from 482,640 last year to an eye-watering 611,367 in 2035. 2011 showed the greatest increase ever recorded, of about ten per cent.
The key is the fast-growing numbers of people in their 20s already relocating to the city; between 2009 and 2001 there was a net influx of 6834 people aged between 16 and 29 and while many will be students, the chances are significant numbers will put down roots and start families, especially if the economy continues to flourish.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/john-mclellan-on-wrong-road-for-growth-1-3169050
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The tower blocks are about all that remains of Greendykes.
The foreground is therefore. 'brownfield'.
The middle distance was Greenbelt.
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Across the waste ground there is also a council owned residential facility which is quite isolate from other housing etc, sitting on its own
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Although the concept didn't exist at the time, you could think of areas like Greendykes, Craigmillar, Pilton, Wester Hailes, Sighthill all as "greenfield" sites when they were constructed (indeed 3 of them are named after the farms previously on the site).
So when the current greenfield becomes brownfield in 40, 50 or 60 years time, we just build further out again and leave the rest to rot as unproductive wasteland?
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/170-million-boost-for-edinburgh-s-quartermile-1-3172253
Another £170 million of vacant "apartments" (flats, as normal people call them) and office and retail space for Quartermile.
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Having known someone who rented a Quartermile flat in one of the new build towers I'd tell even the richest person to steer clear. Horrible build standard with big brand appliances and suites to give the illusion of 'luxury'
Just checked on OurProperty and they only have two sales recorded on Simpson Loan (both 2009) and none on Nightingale Way, so looks a lot like the whole housing stock is being let out by the developer.
I'd hope the ward conversions are to a better standard, but you could buy a house in the Grange for what they want for some of those.
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Basically all the farmland around Queen Margaret University.
http://www.eastlothiannews.co.uk/news/local-news/vision-for-expansion-of-musselburgh-1-3210689
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Vision is a curious word. Certainly you don't normally think of developers as being visionary, though there are exceptions.
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"you don't normally think of developers as being visionary"
Depends how you define vision/visionary.
In cases like this there can undoubtedly be the long-term view/(vision) that the 'impossible' will become possible.
"Sacrosanct" Green Belt means low land prices. Envisioning that planning permission will be possible one day means 'gambling' by taking out cheap options to buy in the future. The simple vision is to make money.
Of course some people don't believe in the Green Belt - 'we need houses, jobs etc.'.
Around Edinburgh maintaining the GB is hard.
East Lothian was pleased to get a University. Midlothian likes the revenue from hosting retail developments outside the bypass.
Even within Edinburgh, building on more land around the airport is 'necessary' to pay for the tram etc.
The planning system favours those with money and (visionary?) patience.
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planningcapitalist system favours those with money and (visionary?) patience."FTFY ;-)
At least the Musselburgh scheme is close to public transport and cycling facilities...
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UNITED front needed to resist murky plan for last slice of green belt between city and Musselburgh, writes George Kerevan
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/george-kerevan-edinburgh-green-belt-plan-is-murky-1-3572677
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Bad news for NEPN - citizens to rise up in arms and replace it with a tram line to mass housing on the shore.
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Lets hope not, a bike path is more use than a tram line, tram provides little benefits over a bus.
Did the tram line that runs from edinburgh park replace a bike lane? they did build a new one of course but still a path is not as good as old rail line.The tram corruption/incompetence or whatever caused the overrun result in a legacey of debt.
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I entirely agree with most of what's in the article... Except...
and swamp Newcraighall, Edinburgh’s last remaining mining village.
The pit rows have all been pulled down and replaced in the 1970s with modern housing (the authorities of the day I believe wanted to remove the village entirely and it took a campaign by locals to replace demolition and slum clearance with rebuilding in situ). The Church, School and the old Co-op are about all that's left. The cottages that remain predate mining days.
Also the Edinburgh / Haddingtonshire ("East Lothian") boundary ran diagonally through the pit village, following the line of an old road that had defined the boundary, so it was technically in both administrative areas.
And Newcraighall was "swamped" long ago by the building of Fort Kinnaird.
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Ed, what preceded the tram line was in fact, for a short time, a surprisingly useful bit of cycle infrastructure, but that was only the grace period after the guided buses had been withdrawn and before the tram works commenced. Of course, it was never officially cycle infra, it was just commandeered by end users.
The guided bus route was constructed in the early 2000s using some of the land that had been reserved for a 1960s/70s road that was never built. The only bit they did build was the 'Temporary' West Approach Road. As I recall, the guided buses were only ever a stopgap as the intention was always to convert it to tram use later.
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If feeling robust everyone should watch the Bill Douglas trilogy of My Childhood, My Ain Folk and My way home. Black and white, little dialogue, poverty with no shoes, coal, steam, unwashed, unloved and the best scottish films (Gregory's girl the second best but is of course an enjoyable experience)
partly set in newcraighall with local lad he found at youth club plYing his younger self
Bill Douglas also made a great film about the tolpuddle martyrs called Comrades
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partly set in newcraighall
Most Chdot Bikenteering(TM) tours round that way seem to involve passing the bridge to nowhere.
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