Where young Bill catches the train by jumping off and landing on the coal or we hope he does as he jumps into the steam if I am even remembering correctly, might be a photie of this on other thread?
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"Pressure on green belt as 10,000 homes to be built"
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Posted 9 years ago #
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Sad to discover today that the Bill Douglas bridge has now been demolished as part of the houses being built behind Newcraighall. Also, the path which cut from Newcraighall towards Brunstane has also gone, behind the Heras fencing.
Lots and lots of landscaping going on in preparation for the new housing estate.
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Shame, should really have been listed.
On another thread I mentioned the WoL path being rerouted at juniper green due to the splash bathroom warehouse being turned into flats. This is not quite right. The path continues but with a big jutting out fence along the side of the warehouse. However there is no access to the road instead you can go up a new path to the east or a new road to the west, this also has dumper trucks as up to something along the road to nowhere there. It has all been cleared. This road does connect to the original road and you get out at just bike repairs shop.
Now the link is that the building controls on the warehouse are very strict. No windows on the south side of the structure because, wait for it, the bricks are protected.
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"the bricks are protected"
Is that because it is an original railway building?
Even if so, I don't remember much worth meriting in that particular shed.
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Yes railway connection rather than bathroom connection but it is basically a big brick shed. Does have a sort of underground entrance as well as front door.
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I read through the documents attached to the planning application. The archaeology report could only say that the building was probably 1960s and post-dated the railway station, but it may have reused or incorporated some of the railway buildings.
Not sure what the shed was build to do, it did look like it had an inspection pit running the length of it, so maybe some sort of garage?
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Used to have a fAir bit of industrial scrap round the back that was not linked to a bathroom warehouse.
Smaller but similar amount of industrial scrap in the waste ground at the bottom of my garden. Both sites connected to the railway and rubbish. Lots of wire and bottles.
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I suspect a railway connection too. The fact that a weighbridge was installed makes me wonder if it was a delivery depot for domestic coal (and the boiler house for the shed is still extant) Railbrit notes "A dispatch shed (out of use?) remains on the side of the goods yard" but as K has already mentioned, the warehouse building appeared after the railway closed, and the old maps would normally have marked any earlier weighing machine.
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Oh good.
If a political and intellectual Titan like Alex Neil is involved then nothing can possibly go wrong.
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By which we mean the developers have managed to get the Housing Minister to call in their planning applications as they can't be bothered waiting for the interminable wrangling of local planning decision making or were worried about losing, and are far more confident that central government will back them to hit its targets on housing development.
Given Edinburgh's recent track-record of rubber-stamping developer's plans despite firm, well-founded and popular opposition, I'm not sure what the developers were worrying about.
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Personalities aside, it's about favouring commercial interests above others.
Of course there is a need for more housing, but plenty of places already zoned, but seeing no action - eg waterfront.
Need a better overview of landuse planning - and powers/willingness to act where 'more difficult' than just allowing building on 'green fields'.
There is 'brownfield' land in Green Belt areas, but obviously less than green.
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A housing minister worth their salt and truly concerned about a lack of affordable housing should surely be doing everything in their power to get stalled, mixed market brownfield developments going again, not helping developers who want to build high-dividend middle-class suburban greenfield cartopias against local (and in many cases logical) opinion.
I wasn't aware there was a shortage of Cammos on the market.
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Another fine Edinburgh example of a developer changing the name of an area to try and forget its previous "reputation"?
Key facts;
- Spa Hotel: 123 beds
- Residential: 1,881 units
- Retail: 9220 sq m
- Leisure: 4220 sq m
- Commercial: 5000 sq m
- Marina: 400 berthsThe revised scheme also makes provision for the extension of the tram service and a potential fast link ferry service to and from Kirkcaldy, as well as facilities to accommodate cruise ship tenders.
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Re: Edinburgh Marina
No plans for fabulous, segregated, contiguous, all-ability cycle lanes mentioned then?
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At last we have a solution for the great Scottish Government planning mystery.
Control is firmly in the hands of social justice and communities minister Alex Neil who has just gone over the heads of local planning councillors to take charge of six major housing proposals across the Lothians.
Frustrated by the length of time it has been taking to get schemes through the local planning process, developers complained and now the new minister has decided he can’t wait for councillors to make up their minds and he will take the decisions.
But with a clear indication from the Scottish Government that rulings should favour development unless there is very good reason to object, permission will almost certainly be granted.
If so, there will be dismay in Cammo, where a proposal for 670 houses is meeting particularly stiff opposition and where valid concerns about the impact of more traffic on the Barnton and Maybury junctions will need to be addressed. There would be even greater dismay among local SNP councillors who support the campaign. A presumption to approve does not mean schemes will go through unaltered and in the case of Cammo at least there is a short route between Alex Neil’s department and Transport Scotland, so solutions can surely be found.
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So much for local autonomy and "we can't force local authorities to do stuff" eh?
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Many ghost estates in Ireland, built but with no one living in them. Where are all the people just now that will live in these new developments?
The barnton development will need a new school built for the familis given the size?
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@SRD indeed. Funny how a little bit of lobbying in the right places by developers gets the wheels quickly in motion and yet a lot of lobbying in the right places seems to achieve precious little when it comes to , oh, say, active transport?
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he claimed developers were not interested in land at Craigmillar because they knew alternative sites were likely to get the go-ahead in nearby places like The Wisp, Newcraighall and Brunstane. He said: “If you have the choice of greenfield site you’re going to go for that rather than the difficulties of an old housing estate. If this was meant to be market-led regeneration, the market is stuffing them because they’re saying they’re going elsewhere.”
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/craigmillar-regeneration-firm-makes-1-3m-loss-1-3696294
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They are building a lot of wee hooses in Craigmillar. Quite a range so seem fairly individual. Taking a long time though and no one in them yet.
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Construction of two badly needed schools is set to land the city with a £53 million bill – almost half of which would be interest payments.
The primaries will be required in Gilmerton and Liberton to cater for 2000 new homes due to be built over the next decade.
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£23m a school? What are we building them out of?!
A 2013 FOI request got that the figure taken for costing developing a new school is £1,113 per square metre. One assumes therefore that each of the new schools is to be 20,664sq m!
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@kaputnik Indeed, doesn't add up. At a meeting last year Paul Godzik talked about the cost of building a new primary in the south side as being £9m.
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SIR David Murray’s £1bn “Garden District” plans are set to be reignited as councillors bid to solve Edinburgh’s housing crisis.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/1bn-garden-district-plan-for-edinburgh-1-3769116
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The full scale of the black hole in the city’s infrastructure budget has been revealed, with councillors warning the funding gap for schools and roads to serve new housing was “totally unsustainable”.
The first official estimate of infrastructure costs across the city associated with massive housing development expected over the next decade puts the cost of providing schools and transport links at £217 million.
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city councillors have backtracked on plans to include Sir David Murray’s £1 billion “Garden District” in the Capital’s development blueprint.
Talks have been held which would have spared areas such as Brunstane, Cammo and Newmills from new development in favour of land between the A8 and M8 at Gogar.
But at a planning committee meeting tomorrow, councillors will pass the controversial Local Development Plan (LDP) – a proposal for thousands of new homes needed across the city – without making changes.
They will merely make a recommendation to the Scottish Government to reduce housing allocations in certain areas, but there are no guarantees that ministers will consider it.
The Evening News revealed on Monday that councillors were looking to spare Brunstane, Newmills and Cammo from the LDP in favour of the Garden District.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/ldp-to-be-passed-without-change-1-3771246
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