@wingpig Okay, so it doesn't make any sense then... I wondered if I was being a bit thick. Will be steering clear.
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Road layout changes in the west end at Ryans bar? (Also Haymarket)
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Posted 11 years ago #
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Tempted reply to one of them to say that the A9 is a well-known 'dangerous stretch of road' for inexperienced drivers - perhaps drivers should be getting out and "walking" their cars along it? ;-)
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The walking thing is always a serious red herring. Pop to LBB and see people with various conditions picking up bikes for mobility. Then ask them to hike through rush hour traffic pushing said bike / trike... not a solution.
Although in Edinburgh, you can see that wouldn't be much of a consideration...
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Wasn't the arrangement at Haymarket implemented under the guidance of Spokes? I seem to recall reading that somewhere, but I suspect it was an attempt to make a bad situation slightly better.
Due to the delay at the traffic lights take as mentioned before, is there the possibility that a queue of cyclists could build up along the "lane" and across the taxi rank access?
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@cycletrain Spokes have clarified their involvement upthread.
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@cycletrain - I'm assuming that you have experience of Edinburgh taxis. Two ton, foul smelling, fume belching, never indicating, leviathons - and that's just the drivers (only kidding). I certainly wouldn't stand between one and a fare, and don't know anyone that would.
I'm fairly certain that cyclists aren't the problem here.
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@ cycletrain
Wouldn't it be awful (should taxi drivers continue to flout the rules) if that were to happen - dozens of cyclists quite co-incidentally and regularly filling up the cycle lane and its approach so much that taxis couldn't get in? I wonder if the message would get across?
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TBH, it always used to pee me off, when the tramworks were still in place, that the taxis would queue up at the west end of the haymarket works and queue round the corner into Rosebery Crescent.
This caused the buses coming down the hill to swerve/reach round them, impacting other buses trying to turn left from Haymarket Terrace into Rosebery Crescent.Meanwhile, we cyclists were all over the shop, trying to circumnavigate the junction, buses and taxis.
The council and/or police (I don't know which) made a half-ar*ed effort to restrict the taxis by putting up extra signs (just as they have done at the station) and the taxis ignored them (just as they have done at the station).
If the council states that enforcement will be applied then it needs to make more than a token gesture.Posted 11 years ago # -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-24712585
Private hire cars are not allowed to solicit for business or pick anyone from the roadside/pavement. I suppose they will argue that some punter has called them and requested that they pick them up outside Haymarket.
Don't know if you're aware but CCE has made it into the pages of the Beeb news as an internet link. Way to go! This might be a poisoned chalice as the trolls may possibly join in too!
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Had a look at it for the first time myself last night. Gee whiz!
This is a seriously difficult junction to negotiate if you are inexperienced or unfamiliar with it. Even experienced and familiar cyclists will find it difficult depending on traffic, weather light etc.
Really incredibly poor design.
I hope no-one wants me to teach them to negotiate all that safely, it could take several hours to figure out the best and safest way myself!
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Apparently there is a special powder which can be applied to life-threatening scenarios like the Haymarket
cyclist killerstram tracks. It's called quick-dry cement.Posted 11 years ago # -
Don't currently see any legal means of cycling from Lothian Road to Queensferry Street, without a dismount.
Is that right enough, or a meringue ?
Seriously deficient route planning by the council.
I really do get the impression they'd like to formally ban all cycling from the entire city centre, if only they could get away with it.
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I take it Left Turn at the foot of Lothian Road, is not permitted?
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There's nowt saying its strictly verboten, but it isn't possible without breaking ranks over the ped crossing green phase.
Which is essentially what everyone is now doing between Lothian Road and Queensferry Street, and also vice versa.
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Left turn at foot of Lothian Road had a cyclists exemption only marked on the TRO drawings, but you are meant to dismount to do it.
Another whmisy of Edinburgh Trams' fanciful imagination.
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Talking about Lothian Road to Queensferry St, years ago when Charlotte Square was essentially a large roundabout with four corners open, there was never any access across Shandwick Place, and all traffic if you wanted to get to Q'ferry street went right, left and left around Charlotte Sq, I never found it a problem, and did not feel inconvenienced. Either that or turn left onto Shandwick place and take a right then another right down Manor Place or Palmerston Place to get onto Q'ferry St. Mind you in them days there weren't as many cars.
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When I worked out in Dunfermline I remember it being down Lothian Rd, left then immediately right in a filter lane to hit Dean Bridge.
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That was the pre-tramworks utopia, Dave
But its all gone crazee now
Posted 11 years ago # -
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David Key (@davidfkeySNP)
30/10/2013 09:32
Just now at Haymarket - we need to do better http://pic.twitter.com/zu1RuWSLKV"
Twitter profile -
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David Key is the SNP councillor for Fountainbridge/Craiglockhart Ward in Edinburgh."
Posted 11 years ago # -
Absolute belter on the way home from the wee protest.
Came straight off Princes Street along Shandwick Place, West Maitland etc. through the "local buses only" section so that I could get into Haymarket Station without having to cross any rails.
Of course I got to the station to find 3 taxis backing out the rank. As I stopped to remonstrate with (yell at) them, I was as incredulous as the cabbie was as he looked up from reading the paper and supping from his flask.
Shows just how seriously the Hackney-cab driving sector are taking all this. I was so annoyed I forgot I was getting the train and rode all the way back to work quietly fuming. Turning it over in my head that the Police sent 4 officers to St Andrew House for a small gathering with no history of anything apart from polite heckle yet none to enforce blatant and dangerous disregard of road regulations. T.I.E.
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"Turning it over in my head that the Police sent 4 officers to St Andrew House for a small gathering"
I saw 8.
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Just before lunchtime today. Six (6) taxis outside the rank and two (2) in the ASL!
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Kappers said "Turning it over in my head that the Police sent 4 officers to St Andrew House for a small gathering"
chdot replied "I saw 8."
Wee bit too much whiskey over lunch chdot? Seeing double?
And to think I thought the protest was for double in funding for Active travel, not Scotland coppers! ;o)
I mentioned to Morningsider that we should all pop down to Haymarket next to completely block the Jug, Lejuggle as SallyH put it.
Posted 11 years ago # -
I think a single file peloton arriving at that ASL, getting stopped by a red light would have a devastating effect on the ability of taxis to enter their admittedly small rank.
Friday rush hour?
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I refer you to my post yesterday:
"Wouldn't it be awful (should taxi drivers continue to flout the rules) if that were to happen - dozens of cyclists quite co-incidentally and regularly filling up the cycle lane and its approach so much that taxis couldn't get in? I wonder if the message would get across? "
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What is worse in that Twitter pic from David Key is that the cab is also unattended as far as I can see - nobody in the driver's seat. The driver hasn't even got the (half-) decency to be ready to move it immediately when challenged.
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The last two would be crumpled by a tram coming down the line
Posted 11 years ago # -
@FOCUS and Bikeability Edinburgh
I refer to my post two days ago lol
"Due to the delay at the traffic lights take as mentioned before, is there the possibility that a queue of cyclists could build up along the "lane" and across the taxi rank access?"
Oooo critical mass?
Posted 11 years ago # -
"Oooo critical mass?"
Is that two (or three) of us then! LOL Even if we all had tandems with trailers on, I don't think we'd quite reach "critical" status ;-)
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