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Cyclists want traffic ban on George St and Princes St

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  1. cb
    Member

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/cyclists-want-george-princes-street-traffic-ban-1-3135232

    I think EEN are trolling their own commenters now.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Those bloody cyclists. Don't they know the sky will fall in if honest, hard pressed family motorists can't drive along George Street?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  3. DaveC
    Member

    Reading the 'Story', it appears only Kim wants cars banned, Spokes and that other chap appear to be just backing up what he said.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  4. Dave
    Member

    I always think it's funny that people say pedestrianisation will empty out the town centre because people will prefer to go to the (pedestrianised) out of town parks instead.

    One big reason we don't go into town is because it's cramped, busy and unpleasant - takes hours to cross the road and constant noise / fumes etc.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  5. Morningsider
    Member

    Terrible article - none of the quotes mention pedestrianising both Goerge and Princes Streets. It isn't really clear who is calling for what. Is PoP really calling for this?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  6. amir
    Member

    I shouldn't have read the comments!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  7. Instography
    Member

    If people say "pedestrianisation will empty out the town centre" they've obviously never seen Buchanan Street or Sauchiehall Street on a Saturday.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  8. Newcastle city centre has a large pedestrianised bit up to Grey's Monument which never seems quiet. The Stroget in Copenhagen is a kilometre length of pedestrianisation. Hell, if you go to Macarthur Glen at Livingston you're effectively in a pedestrianised area (as pointed out by Dave).

    Posted 11 years ago #
  9. fimm
    Member

    It's not just that bit round Grey's Monument that is pedestrianised; the whole of Northumberland Street is, too, and that's where all the big shops are.

    Actually it would be interesting to map out pedestrianised areas in different cities

    Posted 11 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "

    (e) We are disappointed at the extent of car parking which still remains and we suggest smaller parking areas, with parts of the central reservation landscaped, perhaps with seating, etc.

    "

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/1403-Spokes-George-St-TRO1.pdf

    Posted 11 years ago #
  11. SRD
    Moderator

    Has anyone looked at the plans for George Street?
    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/12463/tro_14_13_plans

    Most bizarre. basically a two way cycle lane on the North side from charlotte square to Frederick Street, and then from Frederick st to st andrews square it switches to the south side.

    Seriously wacky stuff.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  12. fimm
    Member

    I hadn't seen the plans before, so thank you for the link, but the Spokes comments linked to by chdot do mention the lane switching.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    Good to see the plans, this has been alluded to before. Ought to work as cars can only go west from Frederick St to Charlotte sq and east from Fred st to St. Andrews sq. roundabout on Frederick st might be tricky but will have option to stay on the road?

    Central section will be completely pedestrianised at festival is that right?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  14. SRD
    Moderator

    @fimm of course you're right. it is in the spokes docs.

    but it wasn't until I saw hard-copies of it today that i realised how it works.

    edit <stuff deleted> - gembo's right.

    I'm so confused....

    Posted 11 years ago #
  15. crowriver
    Member

    Whatever the shortcomings it will sure as hell beat mixing it with cars, vans, lorries, buses and having to watch for vehicles exiting/exiting central parking zone.

    Looking forward to this, even if I won't use it much...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  16. PS
    Member

    Most bizarre. basically a two way cycle lane on the North side from charlotte square to Frederick Street, and then from Frederick st to st andrews square it switches to the south side.

    Seriously wacky stuff.

    I think* the logic is that there are more shops/restaurants/Assembly Rooms on the south side of the street between StASq and FredSt, and the position is reversed between FredSt and CharSq.

    *guessing

    Has anyone seen if this means that the tarmac in the ped/cycling areas is going to be replaced with a more ped-friendly/aesthetically pleasing surface than the current cratered tarmac?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  17. SRD
    Moderator

    @ps - yes - and especially issue of hotel access

    Re Tarmac - no changes proposed at present. Assumption seems to be that shops etc may put out decking over ped bit. But will have to get planning permission.

    Presumably if trial is successful they would repave in long run.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  18. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Jeez, that looks like it's been drawn up by the planners on the back of a fag packet after a long liquid lunch in the Doric.

    How's the Hanover St junction going to work going eastbound? Bikes still have to keep left of the monument then revert to the bike lane? Suicide bike lane on the 'wrong' side of the road (ripe for collision with u-turning taxi scofflaws)? I'm not sure which is worse.

    The potential for ped/bike nastiness is high at all these junctions for bikes going the 'wrong' way...

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. shuggiet
    Member

    The Spokes response seems to indicate that it's a shared use path with pedestrians with 'just' a white line like MMW. Is that correct? I thought the original plan was for full segregation of bikes/cars and peds.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. gembo
    Member

    Given the pavement remains in place is the pedestrian area to do with restaurants having their outside tables in these zones?

    Presume needs traffic lights. I can work out how to access from St. Andrews sq but not sure how to get out at the other end? Also is it not supposed to link to leith walk?

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    "Also is it not supposed to link to leith walk?"

    How are you defining this word "supposed"?

    #thisisedinburgh

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin


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