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  1. Dave
    Member

    It was pretty stiff going with a big headwind for the first 130 miles. After getting 12,000 feet of ascent out of the way, the wind finally came to help but it was still felt like a long ~250 miles arriving back at Musselburgh.

    Started with DaveC and another recumbent rider from Musselburgh at 6am. I carelessly tried to chase down a roadie on the hills to Innerleithen, faffed around at the control then spent the rest of the ride not knowing who was in front or behind me. Made for a bit of a lonely trip - I should have bit my lip and let him go :(

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. DaveC
    Member

    That was horrible!

    I got dropped on the hill to Innerleithen and never caught up. Spent the whole 'day' into that headwind criss crossing with a guy from Nottinghamshire, who never really spoke back when I spke to him. I rode mostly on my own. I never stopped long enough to eat properly for fear I would run out of time, though as the 100kms were ticked off at ~6 hours per 100km I became much more confident. I think I should have just stopped in one place and had a meal instead of the odd pie or sandwich out of various co ops.

    After Newton Stewart, grinding up the long hill on route 7 from Glentrool village, I found my front brake was binding and slowing me down. No idea how long that had been a problem, for but it certainly could have been right from the start. I did a temp fix for the next few hills by winding the brake out for the climbs and then on again for the descents until I finally stopped outside Maybole and adjusted the inner pad in towards the disk. The one star key I had on my hex multitool which was a star fits! I'm still not convinced about the brakes as there is room for play in the front forks where the axle sits, so the wheel can sit right or not meaning more brake rubbing! :0(

    Maybole was slightly hostile! and I certainly felt it on my own on a 'different' bike at 9pm. On the approach two different cars buzzed me with passengers screaming something at me. Outside the coop I had a crowd but fortunately its down hill so I f**ked off sharpish! Dalmellington was no better but fortunately I didn't have to stop. Funny as when I descended the light from the town make me feel better about being in the middle of nowhere, until I saw the locals buzzing about in cars and the looks and calls.

    I began to feel better after the pubs had closed but only then did a passing police car slow as it drove past me. Very sleepy through New Cumnock. There was one bush I stopped at for shelter to put on waterproofs that looked particularly inviting but as my phone had died I risked sleeping through and missing the cut off time so pressed on.

    The day seemed to be one long slow climb after another, before a long descent to the next hill. To Newton Stewart I had to pedal down the hill also, as the headwind was strong. It wasn't until I hit Abington that the wind appeared to be behind me.

    It looks like the bent might not be the audax bike I'd hoped it would be. Its heavy and my knees hurt after this weekend. It was only towards the end that I found spinning really helped, instead of keeping a medium cadence. Flew home from Abington though lots of downhill and wind assist helping.

    Definitely taking the Dolan on the Snow Roads and Highlander.

    Dave, you had to ride your ride, and not wait for me slowing you op. If future I'll take a bike I can keep up with the crowd on, as 350km on my own was tough.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    I think I should have just stopped in one place and had a meal instead of the odd pie or sandwich out of various co ops.

    Reminds me of my DIYs. Somehow when riding solo I never seem to find the time for a proper sit down meal. OTOH, they do say little and often is better than big and infrequent when it comes to eating.

    350km on my own was tough.
    The day seemed to be one long slow climb after another

    Well it was a Martin Foley audax!

    I think both Daves did really well considering the blowy conditions.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. DaveC
    Member

    "OTOH, they do say little and often is better than big and infrequent when it comes to eating."

    Nope. I have ridden a few strategies and feel better for rests.

    I have tried

    a) all fluid (Lucasade) - just sloshes round and feel bloated all day.

    b) short stops and snacking - feel tired (never recovered) and never full.

    c) long stops - feel better fed, and much better afterwards, having had a rest.

    I stopped for ~20 mins in Abington only to have a loos stop and a coffee but felt much better. Also reminds me - I never drink coffee but should on Audaxes to gain the benefit. I do snack little and oftern but thats a supliment not the main food income. I find 4 square meals a day is suffuicient, which I failed to do on Saturday.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. amir
    Member

    Well done Dave and Dave! Sounds like a very difficult ride.

    On food - each to their own ... but!

    I would tend to agree with crowriver about the accepted wisdom for eating on long rides. Little and often is better than enormous meals. Remember you have to digest it. Also carbs are a easier to digest than proteins and fats. However I'd agree there is value in a rest - at least for the head - but not too long otherwise the legs suffer - and its good to eat stuff that's not sweet. For less than 100 miles I'd go with bars and SIS energy drink but for long, I'd drift to water and more savoury stuff. Soups are good and so are scones. But a meat pie - eek!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Digesting food takes energy, so if you're already feeling quite depleted and you have a big sit-down pie and potatoes-type meal that is why you often fall into the inevitable food-coma.

    There's just not enough energy in "energy" drinks to get by on them alone. You'd probably need at least 2l of Lucozade an hour - or 12l on a 6 hour ride. That's a lot of Lucozade!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. DaveC
    Member

    "Digesting food takes energy, so if you're already feeling quite depleted and you have a big sit-down pie and potatoes-type meal that is why you often fall into the inevitable food-coma."

    You'd think, but I seem fine after a large plate of fish and chips, and the break from cycling and sit down helps too.

    "There's just not enough energy in "energy" drinks to get by on them alone. You'd probably need at least 2l of Lucozade an hour - or 12l on a 6 hour ride. That's a lot of Lucozade!"

    Yes I did a nearly 200 with a mate who was doing his RTYR and was bloated the whole way round. I'd get to the stop feeling only just normal to fill my stomarch with fluid again and then slosh round to the next control...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. Cyclops
    Member

    I wouldn't bother too much about the science and just eat/drink what you crave or feel like. I had a steak pie supper in Maybole and some rice pudding in Dalmellington which saw me through the night. I've twice had a sit down Chinese on a 400 but they tend to be pretty salty so make sure you've enough fluid after. I also tend to change what I drink on the way round for a bit of variety, I sometimes end up with a mix of 4 or 5 different drinks in my bottles by the end.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. DaveC
    Member

    Hmm, I didn't feel safe staying any longer in Maybole or Dalmenington than I had to. As a consequence I had a banana and a coffee between Newton Stewart and Musselburgh. Safety in number next time.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. SRD
    Moderator

    Guy on twitter going off to do this: http://www.highlandtrail.net/

    "The Highland Trail is a long distance self-supported mountain bike time-trail route through the Scottish Highlands. For 2014 the distance is increased from 430 miles to 560 miles with the addition of a loop further north into Assynt. There is no entry fee, no prize money, and definitely no support. It is a self-timed Individual Time Trial (ITT). All that is provided is inspiration, a suggested start time, a GPS track file, and a list of completion times. Riders are limited to 40 for the suggested start time."

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. fimm
    Member

    @SRD one of my Facebook friends was joking that another should do that. I was going to post it over to the Audax Ecosse guys, it looks right up their street...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. amir
    Member

    That looks like great fun but very tough! I wonder how long it takes.

    @fimm are you doing Snow Roads and how are preps?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. fimm
    Member

    amir I'm not (planning on) doing any Audaxes this year; I want to do some triathlons and a bit more hillwalking (though the latter isn't happening, as usual). Also my road bike died a few weeks ago and it has taken a while to get a replacement, so that isn't conducive to training up to 200km!
    (I might put the Three Glens Explorer on the calendar, and see if I can persuade Boyfriend to do it with me...)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  14. amir
    Member

    The Three Glens is a nice one

    Posted 10 years ago #
  15. acsimpson
    Member

    "That looks like great fun but very tough! I wonder how long it takes."

    The 2013 results show riders varying from 3 days 2 hours up to 6 days and 3 minutes.

    It seems to suggest that 8 days is the target.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  16. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    @amir, how are your preparations for the Tayside Transgression going?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  17. amir
    Member

    @cyclingmollie fine as could be hoped. Now on two day break from cycling! Cake baking is scheduled for later today along with prepping of the winter bike in case the weather forecast goes downhill. But I am hoping to go on the sunday best bike possibly with race blades.

    I am kind of looking forward to Glenn Lyon and the goat track over to the next valley south.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  18. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    You'll see a lot of lochs - Faskally, Tummel, Rannoch, Tay, that one to the west of Comrie and Loch Leven at the finish. There's one held back by a dam at the top end of Glen Lyon as well but I don't think it's visible from the road.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  19. amir
    Member

    I expect by the end of Glen Lyon, with 200km done and 100km left and a massive hill in front, I'll be thinking of cafes more than lochs.

    Just had a look at phone coverage for the route - not good :(

    Posted 10 years ago #
  20. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Where did the organiser say the pop-up cafes are going to be?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. amir
    Member

    The cafe controls are at Meigle, Pitlochry and Glen Lyon. But I guess there are additional opps at Killin, Lochearnhead and Comrie.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    Shortly will be departing for Fife, to kip overnight with relatives prior to tomorrow's Tayside Transgression.

    Weather looks dry, if unispired. Due to work and child rearing pressures, have had no time for any training. So I've been on a 'taper' since April's abortive More Passes Than Mastermind...

    Hopefully I'll make it round in time. Slightly trepidatious.

    See some of you at the start.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  23. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Good luck tomorrow crowriver and amir. I'm recovering from a chest infection so I won't be there.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. amir
    Member

    I really enjoyed the Tayside Trangression yesterday, despite a really painful struggle over the last 50km. The route is fantastic with wonderful taking me into unknown parts. There was plenty of wildlife to and the weather was kind. Most of the way I was fortunate to have company from fellow audaxes. Oh and the cafes were great, especially the one in Glen Lyon, but on the cake front, I only had a scone.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. amir
    Member

    How'd it go crowriver?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    Unfortunately I had to pack after 250k because I was out of time, with no prospect of finishing within the limit.

    I enjoyed the first half of the ride. I had teamed up with another rider, we were the back markers. He got a rear flat 30k in, I helped so we lost 20 odd minutes there. Great cafe controls and a deluxe start with fresh coffee, good orange juice, and toast on offer. We diverted from the official route between Meigle and Pitlochry, taking the A924 which was relatively quiet and a great surface.

    All was going well until the climb at around 150k from Loch Tummel up the Shiehallion hill as locals refer to it (Shiehallion just next door and visible from the crest of the hill). I really struggled, overheated in the sunshine, had to stop to de-layer, and lost my riding companion. I was hoping to catch up at the next cafe control, but my legs were protesting as I tried to up the pace along Glen Lyon. By the time I arrived at the control I was on the cusp of being out of time, and the other rider was gone. I spoke to the organiser on the phone, and was still optimistic I could finish. However over the next 70k my speed gradually dropped, I began to feel tired, the rain started and then it got dark. My mental arithmetic demonstrated that by Comrie the situation was hopeless. I phoned the arrivée so they wouldn't wait for me.

    In one sense the pressure was now off, but I had another problem: how to get back to my digs in Fife, some 70k away. Nearest train station Perth, all services would cease by the time I got there. No taxis in sight. I headed to Crieff but nothing doing there, so I had to ride back, essentially completing the event, but rather slowly. It rained almost constantly all the way, with the easterly wind making life interesting. I was pretty tired by now, and stopped for a micro snooze in a handy bus shelter before climbing to Glen Devon.

    Clearly my snooze had not been enough, as while freewheeling in Glen Devon village I fell asleep on the bike. The bump of the bike rolling into the (thankfully very shallow) roadside ditch jolted me awake, and I managed to brake and get a foot down. Luckily I did not come off, I was not hurt, and the bike seemed fine too. I needed another micro snooze but there was no obvious spot: eventually I found a wooden hut to lean against, giving some shelter from the rain. Never slept standing up before, but it was just enough to stop my eyes from closing again on the road.

    The rest of the journey back went well, if slow and rather wet. A coffee at the services in Kinross helped me finish the last 20k. It was light again when I got back: more than 24 hours on the road.

    Overall I was disappointed by my performance, and I am now reconsidering my whole approach to audax. Clearly my current fitness is not up to scratch. I'm withdrawing from the Snow Roads as on yesterday's evidence I have little chance of completing it. It seems I have not prepared sufficiently for the move up from 200k to 300k. Either I will need to actually do some regular training, or alternatively rein in my level of ambition to match my fitness. While I'm pondering this I will take a break from audax riding, and see how I feel in July.

    Sorry, bit of a long post but it's a bit of a defining moment for me and I felt the need to 'share' my experience.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    more than 24 hours on the road

    (Includes the 12 mile (20k) ride to the start).

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. Uberuce
    Member

    The kicker here is that by any remotely sensible definition, riding 340k over some nae-kiddin hills in poor weather is a tremendous achievement, but you're thinking of it as a failure. Chapeau, and sod what the brevet card says!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. amir
    Member

    Exactly. It was a hard course , especially the second half, so well done crowriver.

    If you need tips on building up speed and hill climbing, I'm sure there's plenty here that can help.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  30. amir
    Member

    Btw my tip is to do some shorter rides concentrating on speed and/hills. Intervals are said to be good. But have a good warm up first.

    Posted 10 years ago #

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