Even though it has the hill, the Dalmeny estate wins for its sheer pleasantness compared with any road option. Anyway, after 16 weeks the hill will be a breeze.
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Posted 10 years ago #
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I'm not sure why the barrier can't go on the road side of the 1m verge though.
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Forth Road Bridge (@forthroadbridge)
15/04/2014 19:41
@Sareg72 No we have two hour delays northbound. Not too bad southbound."
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Genuine question: why vote for 2 over 3? I can see rationale for preferring 1 (maximise path width) but in ideal world surely doing something about vehicle headlight glare preferable.
Interested in views before I complete survey myself!
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I'm not sure why the barrier can't go on the road side of the 1m verge though.
Good point!
why vote for 2 over 3?
Frees up £25k to spend on another bit of the path?
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why vote for 2 over 3?
As crowriver said but it also stops the path from becoming claustrophobic and as I mentioned I find bike lights to be a greater problem than car lights so the anti glare barriers have potential to darken the path and make the contrast of bike lights even greater.Having considered the design while ridding the path tonight I am coming over to design 1 as my preferred option. The wider part of the path at the north-western end feels fine currently with no barrier, it's only the narrow part which feels like it needs a barrier at the moment. Although if a barrier stops the possibility of breakdowns using the cyclepath perhaps it's a good thing.
Incidentally after the path seeming to be busier this morning I counted 41 cyclists heading out of town between me coming onto the bridge and getting to Whitehouse Road. I wonder if any of them had access to bikes to use when the bridge is blocked to traffic as per tonight. There was certainly an increased number of pedestrians around Dalmeny, including one tired looking gent pushing a lady in a wheelchair.
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"why vote for 2 over 3?
Frees up £25k to spend on another bit of the path?"
I suppose that's the reality, but in an ideal world there shouldn't be any barriers (geddit) to spending more on cycling.
All the options result in a path that is approx 1m wider than the present one.
On the claustrophobic point it would be useful to know what form the anti-glare panels take. Will they be individual poles, similar to what used to be installed between the road carriageways, or some kind of semi-transparent screen, or will they effectively form a solid wall.
My point being, depending on the product the claustrophobic result could vary. Personally I think I would prefer to have the site and sound of traffic blocked as much as possible.
There may be a side benefit of additional splash protection too?
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"Personally I think I would prefer to have the site and sound of traffic blocked as much as possible."
If they built a bridge lower down at Cramond (even a lift bridge) and then joined up the coastal path with the Prom (and finished off the section between Granton and the Newhaven (ish) chicane currently undergoing a change.....
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"If they built a bridge lower down at Cramond (even a lift bridge)"
Presume you mean as well as the replacing the steps?
Well...
Heard about this last week -
Presume it will be mentioned at tomorrow's meeting -
Thursday 17 April – 7.30 – Cramond Kirk Hall
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"http://www.cramondchainferry.org/about-us.php"
Interesting that the page title is "stopthetrams", so perhaps a cut and paste job from one of their other 'campaigns'. That one was obviosuly a failure so what chance a chain ferry?
It's an interesting concept but there's no way that it will happen and I don't believe they could bring it in for 10 grand less than a footbridge.
More interesting and fun than a bridge but 10 time less useful IMO.
Also amused that they considered a disabled ramp to be visually intrusive but a massive lifting wheel lift structure would "compliment the historic architecture of the foreshore".
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Interesting title at the top of the page 'stopthetrams'...
I think with money (as always), they could build a nice landing/harbour wall on the west side to look similar to that of the southside, if something less 'visually intrusive' is required...
A hinged disabled compliant ramp, which accounts for the difference in high and low tides, was also considered for this location but the visual impact of the very long structure necessary was thought to be visually intrusive.
as well as supplying additional berthing for water craft? I can think of a few disused old harbours and peirs which could be transplanted from elsewhere in the Forth so that old stone would blend in with the traditional look of Cramond.
I lift bridge, allowing free passage for boats, even powered by water, would be more intrusive on the eye but be more fun as people would linger for longer, and spend more in the area.
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Have any of you ever waded the Almond at Cramond at low tide, with or without bike?
I haven't, but often thought it looked possible at the wee 'weir' just below the ferry cottage.
Could stepping stones be put in?
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The wee weir is there to keep enough water in the river to float the boats and the gap in the middle lets the boats in/out when the water level is marginal (although I think any boat with a decent keel would keep between the marks no matter the water level) so stepping stones would scupper that.
It might be possible to wade across lower down on the 'beach'.
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I wouldn't lie to trust the mud on the west side, might be deep. There are stepping stones but they no longer go the whole way, stopping ~8ft short on the west side. I had considered using then and then drying shoes out at home....
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A few of these posters have appeared on Section 2 and 3 of the A90 path with regards to next years work. At DaveC's request here's a snapshot.
I see they decided it was dangerous enough to shut a lane before sending a photographer out. :-P
Is there a way to dynamically resize the picture or do I have to host it somewhere after resizing?
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You can either resize an image before uploading it or resize it within your hosting site (usually). For example, I use Photobucket.com for hosting and can resize after uploading to there if necessary.
I don't know of a way to resize from within CCE.
As it stands, you can right-click and select "View Image" (or the equivalent phrase) in your browser to se the full image if it is too large.
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Sir/Madam,
A90 CYCLEWAY UPGRADE, BURNSHOT
The City of Edinburgh Council, in partnership with Sustrans, is currently progressing a scheme to enhance cycling and walking provision between Edinburgh and the Forth Road Bridge. This scheme supports walking and cycling policies detailed in the Council’s Local Transport Strategy and Active Travel Action Plan.
The current phase of this project involves upgrading the path between the section completed last year (Burnshot Wood) and the Burnshot junction. It is currently anticipated that construction for this phase will commence on Tuesday 6th May 2014, for a period of 16 weeks.
In order to facilitate these works, the following is required:
Closure of A90 Burnshot Off-Slip Road
Tuesday 6th May – late August 2014
Closure of A90 Cycleway (between B924 Chapel Gate and Burnshot Junction)
Tuesday 6th May – late August 2014
During the slip road closure a temporary diversion route for southbound vehicles will be signed from South Queensferry, on both the A90 and the B924. Please note that bus services will be unable to use the stop, and will omit Burnshot and operate directly along the A90 to Cramond.
The A90 will remain open to vehicles at all times, however an off-peak lane closure will be in operation to ensure a safe working area for the contractors. A 50mph speed limit will also be in place whilst the lane closure is in effect.
A temporary diversion route for pedestrians and cyclists will be available through Dalmeny Estate for the duration of the works. This can be accessed from the main entrance to Dalmeny House at Chapel Gate on the B924 to the north, and the Burnshot flyover to the south. Whilst the path closure is in effect, the diversion will be clearly signed along its full length.
The Council would like to apologise for any inconvenience which may arise during the works, and we will seek to minimise any disruption where possible.
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Thanks for the update. I can't understand why they think opening the lane during rush hour will make any difference when the sliproad will remain shut. This stretch of dual carriageway isn't a bottleneck and as long as 2 lanes are open from the top of the hill the traffic will have plenty of time to filter into 2 lanes before joining the queue at Barnton.
Keeping it shut would increase the time available to the workmen and reopen the path and road sooner so every one but the contractors shareholders wins.
Of course it could be taken a step further with a temporary cycle lane being opened on the carriageway itself but that would be too much to ask.
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@acsimpson, that is an interesting point. A bit like when people got excited when they removed the southbound toll on the bridge and it just moved the queue to Barnton.
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given that the whole stretch is also light controlled earlier on the A90 it would be possible to keep the single lane clear the whole time to ensure that buses don't get held up, but I assume there wont be any change to the light cycles.
What I don't know is who would be the correct person to ask the question of.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Can we lobby for one of those Danish bicycle escalators, where you put your foot on a moving 'step' and get pulled up the hill, for the steep bit through Dalmeny?
;O)
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Oh, THIS, Next week...
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Discussion up thread about the one way bit at Cramond Brig.
I got a response from CEC, but only just noticed in email stream -
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Given this is one of the main routes into Edinburgh from Fife and the north, I understand permission would not be granted to half the capacity of this road during the morning and evening peak periods, particularly as vehicles will be travelling slower under a temporary speed limit.With regards the comment about providing a temporary cycle path along the carriageway should the inside lane be closed, this would not be possible as this space is required to provide a safe working area for our contractors, and for plant/site traffic.
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Looked like it was still open this morning (08:30ish).
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this would not be possible as this space is required to provide a safe working area for our contractors
Contractors have H&S At Work legislation to help protect them. Cyclists have...?
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As it would appear to be the road you'll have Chapter 8 TSRGD Signage and other arrangements for road works - applied to all road users, and so a signed alternative footway and route for cycling.
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Looked like it was still open this morning (08:30ish).
Yup, and at 09:15
Nae looking forward to my run home, tonight!
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"Discussion up thread about the one way bit at Cramond Brig.
I got a response from CEC, but only just noticed in email stream -"
chdot, Thanks for checking that out. It's just a shame that to the untrained eye the first paragraph reads along the lines of:
Motorists get a bit uppity if we put something in the way of their ability to join the back of the next queue so it's not really worth modelling this properly.
Posted 10 years ago # -
Has anyone tried the road which appears to enter the estate about halfway along the B924 and goes to the north of the house (i.e. https://goo.gl/maps/zY932 )?
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