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White Paper (THE #indyref thread)

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  • Started 11 years ago by Morningsider
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  1. Charterhall
    Member

    Insto, we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. wee folding bike
    Member

    I think you'll find Yes Airdrie have to stuff their own envelopes and carry them around in carrier bags.

    "We're skint/ Yes is rolling in it" is this week's No story. Last year it was slightly different,

    http://nationalcollective.com/2013/04/18/we-will-not-be-bullied/

    when No was getting hundreds of thousands from Mr Ian Taylor.

    No get the BBC for free and 13 reports from Westminster departments. OK, the reports are a bit rubbish but what can you do.

    PS… if you're interested in the tracks from Johnny Seven CD PM me and I'll find somewhere to make them accessible.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    Folds, you should alert yes airdrie to the three million lottery donation, they should not hve to be stuffing their own envelopes that is shocking.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. wingpig
    Member

    From that Telegraph thing chdot posted:

    (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jennyhjul/100270805/cybernat-viciousness-has-crossed-the-line/)

    "Rabid Nationalists have been compared to Ukip supporters, who are also "disproportionately likely to go in for online bile" according to James Kirkup."

    What would the Telegraph make of Tories actually threatening to vote UKIP?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. Charterhall
    Member

    In terms of influence on European laws and regulations, I have to wonder what does it matter how we all vote in Scotland. Scotland only has 6 seats out of 766. Which is the same point that Farage was making.
    By contrast, the UK has a whole has 78 seats.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. wee folding bike
    Member

    If you want more influence in the EU then you should vote Yes.

    http://wingsoverscotland.com/something-fishy/

    gembo,

    I'm not stuffing yet, I told them I'd be busy with school stuff till the end of June. Looks like I'll be finished marking today but the SQA sometimes put out Late Calls at short notice.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    Folds, that is one curious website, who is behind it? My new pal the labour lad stuck with the old Tories in the Balerno better together campaign feels that the SNP have the cash (though Yes Airdrie not getting it if you are having to stuff envelopes?).

    wings over Scotland, no mention of Paul McCartney, surely a lost opportunity. also Can you explain the link to the blog Niko's Bar which appears to be a Greek taverna that is against Scottish independence?

    On the exam marking, you are prompt. My eldest still has four exams to go. The last one a week after they are all back at school. Suppose This is the SQA busy time, they must hire sessional staff to stuff certificates in envelopes etc.?

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

  9. wee folding bike
    Member

    Rev Stu Campbell. He used to write about computer games. I met him in Edinburgh in September where I got one of his sought after silver wings badges. It's on a Craghopper fleece beside a Tilley badge.

    I think the odd links are to put both sides of the argument. Some people have suggested that a big Union flag link is an odd choice. Brompton used to have links to other brands of folding bike on their web page.

    The biology exams haven't taken place yet. Usually I mark for the first few weeks of June. This year I've been marking the National 5 assignment which was due to be completed in April. They have to pick a topic, find out about it and then present their findings. It's a bit different from marking tests in that there are no set right answers. I suspect it's more like marking English essays. We were finding it quite tricky at the marker's meeting. Some schools have found it quite difficult too. I've marked the last packet but I'm waiting for a reply from my team leader about one of the sections. The assignments from the school in question are all on the same topic and I don't think it fulfils the requirement for an application of biology. I think they're looking at something which just happens and isn't a deliberate choice however they do discuss an option later which is a choice. There are a couple of marks at stake so I'll leave it till I get the official yea or neigh.

    I don't know how the SQA work the envelope stuffing. I think they might contract it out to someone else. They don't have that many staff at the Edinburgh and Glasgow places.

    I'm one of the seasonal staff of course. In the past I've marked a few hundred scripts, up to 500 or 600 last year I think. They phoned up when I was nearly finished and asked if I could take a few more. I didn't expect an extra 100. This year it's been about 90 of the National 5 reports. They also sent a message out asking for people to mark the Advanced Higher project but it was on at the same time and I've only done it for 2 years which I don't think is long enough to start marking it. It's possible they could request markers for the exams. If they do then I'll say yes and get more caffeine and chocolate to keep me going.

    I did some other work for the SQA in March. I adapted some of this year's test papers for visually impaired candidates. That involves removing or simplifying diagrams, changing questions so that they have ABC/123 answers rather than drawing lines on the page redrafting graph questions so that the data points land on intersects of the grid and occasionally replacing a question which just can't be done. A few years ago they decided to try setting up a bank of questions for the Higher and I spent some weekends working on that too. I don't know if they decided to continue with that idea.

    The money is OK but at times it's below minimum wage. It should cover some of the memsahib's holiday. The main reason for doing it is to get inside the SQA's head and understand what they want. I didn't have a National 5 class this year but I'm likely to next year and I'll have a much better idea of what should be in the assignment.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    Nice link SRD for a cycling forum. as we now appear to have a potential UKIP voter in our midsts (this is acceptable of course as they are not the BNP, though I struggle to see the difference personally) it should be pointed out that the policies road cc has selected Are indeed selective, not sure what they do not like about 10.7 (mandatory cycle training in schools - maybe shifts responsibility away from motorists like the other policies they cite). Apparently they have other cycling policies not selected by road cc. But my computer blocks UKIP website as I have an anti-racist, anti-homophobic filter setting. So can't check. Not really needed as the policies cited are all anti cycling policies except 10.7.

    If you read the road cc comments makes an interesting comparison to this thread too.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. Charterhall
    Member

    Who cares what UKIP's policies on cycling may or may not be ? These are elections to the European Parliament and their influence on UK cycling is going to be zero. That's the whole point of their argument, that the 80-odd MEPs returned by the UK are so heavily outnumbered by everyone else that even together their influence is weak. The 6 Scotland MEPs alone have no chance.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. Nelly
    Member

    kevin mckenna Observer

    Anyone read this? Kevin Mckenna - ex herald editor, professional 'I hate everywhere outside of Glasgow' person and Daily Mail columnist manages to make himself look even more stupid than usual.

    How some of these people get published is beyond me.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    Did anyone notice that yesterday's Guardian referred to Glasgow as Scotland's capital? p30, i believe.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  14. Charterhall
    Member

    Nelly, hopefully you will find more eloquence in the following from Simon Schama
    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/085b4586-d5fc-11e3-a239-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/comment_opinion/feed//product#axzz31IHn5YEy

    Posted 10 years ago #
  15. Nelly
    Member

    @SRD - another example of poor journalism, lack of education, no editorial ?

    I think we might be seeing the beginning of the end of many MSM titles, their content is so bad these days that I dont take them or their editorial seriously.

    The only paper we bought recently was the Sunday Herald last week t get their Yes views - wife has read it, but I have still not bothered, one week on, that tells you a lot about my interest level !

    Unfortunately the Daily Mail / Express etc still appeal to a lot of older (i.e. my parents) people who then regurgitate the nonsense as fact - cue family 'discussions'.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  16. Nelly
    Member

    @pintail, perhaps a bit flowery and looking back rather than forward, doesnt say much for me.

    To be clear, I dont want someone to agree with me, just not to publish opinion as fact.

    Mckenna doing a 'glasgow rules v the rest of scotland' stance is as stupid as the EEN publishing an article on canal improvements as manufacturing a 'war between pedestrians and cyclists'

    Posted 10 years ago #
  17. Instography
    Member

    Wings - I can barely get past the quasi-nazi logo. And even if he writes something with a vague logic to it (although normally rests on one or two specious assumptions), the frothing below the line nails it.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  18. SRD
    Moderator

    what annoyed me about that (beyond that it was by kelven mckenna) was that he talks about greater glasgow, but doesn't similarly factor in fife and lothians commuting etc to edinburgh. and the absurdity of going on about glasgow's GDP, third only to 'london and edinburgh'. kind of disproves his point? as if GDP proved anything.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    From that Labour for Indy article:

    “My decision to vote and campaign for a yes vote came as I was sitting in a room in a large house discussing Better together strategy with representatives from parties I have nothing in common with, parties that represent privilege, greed and the status quo, Notions completely at odds with my Labour background.”

    I'm sure he's not the only Labour supporter with deep misgivings about Bitter Together.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  20. wingpig
    Member

    Even if one doesn't go in for flag-waving or expressions of pride based on place of birth or coibtry of residence it's very hard to not get squirmily uncomfortable at the idea of a UKIPper 'representing' any section of the landmass on which one resides to others, no matter how potentially non-influential their representational capacity.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    Vote Green to keep UKIP out of Scotland.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  22. dg145
    Member

    @Pintail "That's the whole point of their argument, that the 80-odd MEPs returned by the UK are so heavily outnumbered by everyone else that even together their influence is weak."

    Isn't that an equally relevant argument for the position of Scotland in the UK? We currently have a (UK) Government we did not vote for and a representation at Westminster that has little numerical impact on the (UK)issues of the day.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  23. Charterhall
    Member

    I have voted Green in the past, back in the days of Robin Harper, but after that distasteful stunt pulled by Patrick Harvie on the day of Baroness Thatcher's funeral they've lost my vote for the forseeable future.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    It's certainly 'Better Together' for London's ultra-rich.

    "London has more billionaires than any other city in the world with 72."

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. PS
    Member

    In terms of influence on European laws and regulations, I have to wonder what does it matter how we all vote in Scotland. Scotland only has 6 seats out of 766. Which is the same point that Farage was making.

    In terms of influence on Scottish (or indeed UK) laws and regulations, I have to wonder what does it matter how I vote. I only have one vote out of, what, 4 million (or 46 million). Don't know why I bother...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. Charterhall
    Member

    "Isn't that an equally relevant argument for the position of Scotland in the UK? We currently have a (UK) Government we did not vote for and a representation at Westminster that has little numerical impact on the (UK)issues of the day."

    DG, Scotland has approx one tenth of Westminster constituencies but only one hundredth of European ones, it has 10 times the influence in Westminster that it has in Europe.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    Scotland has approx one tenth of Westminster constituencies

    It's actually only 9%.

    Down from 11% pre-2010.
    From 72 seats out of 646, to 59 seats out of 650.

    Planned to reduce to 8% in 2020.
    From 59 out of 650, to 53 out of 600.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. wee folding bike
    Member

    it has 10 times the influence in Westminster that it has in Europe.

    I'd have to agree with that… but 10 times nothing is still nothing.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. Charterhall
    Member

    Tell that to the Portsmouth dockyard workers who lost out to Glasgow

    Posted 10 years ago #
  30. wee folding bike
    Member

    Pintail,

    Ravenscraig.

    Posted 10 years ago #

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