"Both sides have their respective governments working for them they hardly need anyone's money."
Their respective governments ? Only the separatist side has a respective government. This isn't a Scotland-UK debate, its a Scotland-Scotland debate.
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White Paper (THE #indyref thread)
(2915 posts)- Started 11 years ago by Morningsider
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Are you really saying that the UK Government isn't working with Better Together?
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Like the support of the Weirs when you look at Government support there's a large imbalance. The Scottish Government is leading the separatist campaign whereas the UK Government can merely 'like' the Better Together campaign.
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And yet more bad news for Salmond from the polls
"SUPPORT for independence has fallen dramatically over the past four weeks, according to an exclusive poll that puts backing for Yes at its lowest level since September last year.An ICM survey of 1,003 adults puts Yes support at 34 per cent, a fall of five percentage points since the pollster’s last opinion poll a month ago."
"The percentage of Yes votes is the lowest level recorded in the series of ICM polls commissioned by Scotland on Sunday this year, and the lowest since September when independence support stood at 32 per cent."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-yes-vote-at-8-month-low-1-3414582Posted 10 years ago # -
Pintail,
Had you noticed the UK government publishing papers from each department? We pay for that.
No also gets us to pay for the BBC for them.
As far as polls go I remember being told that Iain Gray was a shoe in for the FM job and he barely held his seat. He was twitching a plenty at the recounts.
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Huge amounts of UK government spending is spent on the No campaign. Departments produce critical reports, polls are commissioned, embassies are lobbied etc etc. It isn't just separatists that use tax payers money for their campaign.
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Gerard butler, paisley born Spartan has cooled on independence now thinks we it should all be about coming together. I will try to establish bobby gillespie's view (primal scream's cover of the stones Rocks Off was played at Parkhead yesterday).
Is it BBC Scotland or BBC Britain that is biased? I saw the analysis earlier this century upstream on this string but I found it quite unconvincing. However I did used to enjoy the Hebridean Broadcasting Company sketches of Gregor Fisher. Do hope Rab C is resurrected for an independent govan show.
My biased view is that scot gov ministers do the bare minimum on running the country and spend the rest of the time on campaigning for a yes vote. This balances the UK gov forces of evil and the incredibly biased BBC, leaving the hard cash of the lottery winners for leaflets that might be needed to boost the ratings.
I saw no Yes posters in the Parkhead or Tollcross areas of Glasgow yesterday, the very nice chap who gets me cup final ticket did have a Dundee United for yes button badge. (I report this in the interest of balance)
Some googling suggests bobby appears to be a NO. Primal Scream's last album namechecked Marx, Engels and guy Debord. But bobby in interviews sees the issue as bigger than Scotland. He is married to an Englishwoman called Katy and lives in Primeose Hill, also five years sober though the interview took place in The Engineeer Pub in primrose Hill.
Not sure why I am indulging an unhealthy interest in celebrity opinions. None of whom have a vote as they do not live in Scotland [billy Connolly! Ewan mcgregor! Etc)
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I'd say BBC Scotland are more obvious to the point where I no longer take them seriously.
Radio 4 mentioned the English cup final in the news last might and this morning. Some team hadn't won for 7 years. They didn't mention the game here which I'm told was more momentous.
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Dear Mr. gembo,
I think you need to spend more time with that Mr/s. Google -
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mike w answered 7 years ago
the song rocks is from the album give out but don't give up and is an original Primal Scream song. The entire sound of the song and the album as a whole saw the group panned due to the obvious references to the stones of the early 70's era - sticky fingers album and also exile on main st, which contains a song entitled"rocks off" which you may be confusing it with."
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I only ever watch bbc Scotland at 10.30pm on a Sunday night when the guy who cannot read the news gets a shot. I love him, he can't work out where to put his arms, looks,like the cat that got the cream (believe he is fluent Gaelic speaker)
Nine years since the arsenal won any silverware. 130 years of no silverware for st johnstone
To avoid the dreary slog back from Parkhead to central Glasgow I took a lift to polmont through central Scotland.
This went from utter poverty of Parkhead area, through much better mixed residential areas, affluent Linlithgow and well heeled Balerno.
Actually the trip back from Parkhead would not have been as bad as it would have been if we had been playing Celtic (in interest of fairness also bad getting back from Ibrox).
Did scout around the emirates building and the chris hoy velodrome, only a few cyclists out but day was wet and windy and roads hellish because of football.
Gembo's rule of pub stratification
Class 1 pub - chairs and tables both move, many windows
class 2 pub - either chairs or tables fixed to floor, some windows
Class 3 pubs - tables and chairs both fixed to ground, no windows or maybe a sky light
All pubs at Parkhead class 3.
In interest of fairness same at Ibrox
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As the cost of the Cabinet Office poll was many times the price of a standard survey of 1000 people, Carmichael said that "might indeed" imply there was a very large, informative sample....
SNP MSP Linda Fabiani said:
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"The simple fact is that the UK Government has spent nearly £50,000 of the public's money on this polling. In the interests of fairness and democracy they have got to publish the poll."
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Thanks CHdot
I was not on the google on the Internet, for that, just the google in my head. But that juke box does have some glitches. However, for a joyous ten minutes on a Sunday I will now go and play both songs to check how close.
Get your rocks off baby!
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SH editorial -
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Future of Europe is in your hands
Published on 18 May 2014IT is the election nobody loves.
In 2009, when Scots last decided who should represent them in Brussels, turnout was a scant 28.5%, the lowest in any part of the UK, although not far below the average of 34.5%.
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Europe has been a campaign constant, with unionists insisting entry for an independent Scotland would be fraught if not impossible, with other states imposing the euro and the Schengen open borders arrangement.
As we report today, the senior Labour MEP David Martin has now debunked such scare stories, and is to be commended for his candour.
This week is not a dry run for September 18.
If the SNP add a seat or Ukip win their first in Scotland, it will not signpost the result of the referendum, which is a unique choice.
But it will have an impact on morale, lifting the Nationalists or soothing unionist nerves, with a Ukip win taken as a sign that Alex Salmond has profoundly misread the public mood.
It may be unloved, but for a host of reasons this election matters. Use your vote.
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http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/comment/herald-view/future-of-europe-is-in-your-hands.24251302
Given the (previous) low turnout, it would seem that if the LibDems could get 'their' vote' out, they could keep a seat. If not, a Green 'surge' could secure a seat.
If neither of those happen, could be the chance for voters backing the 'dissident' UKIP or 'establishment' SNP - for a 3rd seat.
(In theory, two Unionist parties - LD + C could lose seats and be replaced by pro-Union, anti-EU UKIP and pro-independence pro-EU Greens, but that's perhaps pushing 'possible' too far!)
Blame d'Hondt, or whoever decided to use it here!
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In England, Scotland and Wales the voting system for the European elections is the d'Hondt system of proportional representation - regional closed list. In Northern Ireland the system is Single Transferable Vote."
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Wendy and Donald were to blame I think. They expected Lab/Lib pacts which would then take orders from Westminster.
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THE SNP are on course to send half of Scotland's MEPs to Brussels, with the party picking up an extra seat at the expense of the Liberal Democratss, the country's leading pollster predicted yesterday.
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Been out all day up at the red moss open day, asked them to put in some Sheffield stands. Caught some enormous water beetles in the pond.
Anyway Rocks V Rocks Off
At the time, jagger was not happy, seemed to suggest they could not hold a candle to the stones. This is true in my opinion of the stones until 1975 but primal scream doing stones tribute album in the 1990s better than the stones in 1990s I saw them at Hampden and they were ungood. I saw primal scream at Ayr pavilion and despite bobby being too drunk the band were grooving. I did the boogaloo up the back with my friend jay.
So Rocks is called Rocks but they continually sing rocks off. The horns at the end are similar to the horns at the end of Stones song rocks off. This song opens exile on main st which is best stones album and almost all Keith.
Presume jagger had the lawyers on to it so as they were not sued primal scream are paying homage to the stones rather than ripping them off.
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Almost one in five Scots will be more likely to vote Yes in September’s referendum if the UK Independence Party (Ukip) sweeps to a widely expected victory across the UK in this week’s European elections, new research has found.
However, Nigel Farage’s party is facing another election failure in Scotland, with an ICM poll for The Scotsman today indicating it will lose out to the SNP in the race for the final Scottish seat.
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/ukip-success-would-push-1-in-5-scots-to-back-yes-1-3414996
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I've been expecting this...
...for a while.
Deconstructing the article might be a useful exercise for those given to trusting the mainstream press in these heady days.
See if;
* Any words ascribed to Brenda justify the 'QUEEN FEARS SCOTS DIVIDE' uppercase headline
* You think the 'much of the ill will has come from the so-called cybernats' line stacks up with the only example of abuse given being that received by backers of the Yes campaign
* You can find any possible noble purpose for the sentence ascribed to Alistair Carmichael; '...he insisted that he had no fears the ill-feeling would spill over into civil unrest.'Better Together haven't jumped the shark yet, but they're filling the tank and warming up the motorcycle.
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I think you need a speed boat, water skis and a leather jacket to jump the shark properly.
I'm sure Brenda is a nice enough old lady but she puts her pants on one leg at a time. She has no divine right.
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Very occasionally I have considered trying to jump into my pants both legs at same time but too old for that now.
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@gembo
A long time ago an old boss of mine got hounded out of his workplace after rumours circulated that he had attempted suicide.
Turned out he'd just repeatedly caught his untrimmed toenails on his wrists while practicing jumping into his Y-fronts.
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@Gembo "Class 3 pubs - tables and chairs both fixed to ground, no windows or maybe a sky light
All pubs at Parkhead class 3."
Especially the Springfield Vaults. A pub that appears to exist solely to cater for football matchdays. It's heaving on those occasions, but I found myself in there one evening on a non-football day (can't remember why) and the place was empty. One of those single purpose pubs that only works when packed to the rafters. Probably not a bikeable pub.
Getting back to the politics ... I missed an opportunity to ask Barack Obama's views on ScotIndy when I unexpectedly found myself sharing a hotel with him last Wednesday evening. However, given the accompanying security I suspect I'd have been taken down, fitted with an orange jump-suit and whisked off to Cuba long before I got near enough to pop the question.
I can confirm that cycling in Manhattan looks to be a scary business, though.
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Is that the same way they were guarantors of no tuition fees outwith Scotland?
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@IWRATS that is some story. The ex boss hound out must have used the splayed foot technique for jumping into his y-fronts. Unless where I went wrong was not holding the pants at the front. Maybe tht is easier but obviously only with trimmed toe-nails
I often look like I have been self harming after cutting the hedge, I better watch I may be hounded out.
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@dg145 from the Springfield vaults to Barack obama's hotel. Quite a jump. Is there not a story of him at a wedding in Uk? Also similar story about dubya but he can't remember that.
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More poll stuff -
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So much spin I thought I would take to the streets. In a fairly mixed area of south west Edinburgh last night there was quite a strong No from 60% plus of those answering the door. Quite a bit of tension as you held up a leaflet and asked neutral questions. When you then point out This is the no side, then many said, well that is all right then.
People happy to chat. I imagine some people telling you what they thought you wanted to hear. Asking what people voted at last election for Holyrood and Westminster was quite a tricky question for some people to answer.
One UKIP poster in small high up window.
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Hold the front page!
Shock As Gembo Finds Lots Of No Voters In Traditional Tory Stronghold Of South West Edinburgh!
(Also Alastair Darling is the local MP, used to be Malcolm Rifkind; David McLletchie used to be MSP).
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