The polls are well and good, but...who thinks should Scotland be an independent country?
I do.
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(2915 posts)- Started 10 years ago by Morningsider
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Its got to be worth a punt
What's the alternative, same old tory crimes ?
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From John Curtice (usually a bit cautious on 'reading too much into one poll') -
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today’s poll from YouGov – for both The Sun and The Times – will come as both as a surprise and (for the No side at least) a shock. It puts Yes on 42%, up four points on YouGov’s previous reading just a fortnight ago (after thefirst leaders’ debate) and No on 48% (down 3). Once the Don’t Knows are excluded Yes are on 47%, up four points, by far and away a record Yes vote from a pollster that has hitherto tended to paint a relatively pessimistic picture for the Yes side.
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http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/09/yougov-report-dramatic-swing-to-yes
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and boy it's going to make the No camp nervous
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Nick Robinson on Radio4 just now.
Apparently he is in Scotland - going to watch Jim Murphy?
Expect smirky reports on telly later (and he's not a natural Yes type!)
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Nigel Moss (@nigenet)
02/09/2014 10:01
Interestingly, in #IndyRef poll 20% people who voted SNP in 2011 & 8% of people who intend to vote SNP would vote Nohttp://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/09/02/full-results-scottish-independence-28th-august-1st
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Which is what Gembo was saying he found on some doorsteps.
The 20% shows that in 2011 quite a lot of people thought that the SNP would be the best party to run a devolved Scotland. Seems that about have of them now want independence.
That shift is also happening with Labour voters.
IF there is a Yes, it will still be up to all parties to convince voters that they would be the best at running Scotland.
The SNP would have a head start at that, but I think we'd be back to minority government or a formal coalition. If there is a close No, I suspect that the SNP would win again in 2016 - though much depends on the result of the 2015 election.
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Yet more crappy behaviour on the referendum in Glasgow BBC Link
It isnt clear from the coverage who is on each team (other than Yes/No)as the beeb states a right wing organisation and herald doesnt identify an organisation.
Theres alot of shouting, a bit of pushing, shoving then handbags. No eggs were harmed tho..I cant see how anyone involved thinks this sort of incident improves their case - there are just two groups ranting at each other each refusing to hear or engage.
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YouGov/Sun: Conservatives just a point behind. Eight months out, Miliband must be extremely worried
We need to remember that Labour has a huge electoral advantage.
For example, in 2005, the Tories got more votes in England than Labour, but Labour got around 50% more English seats.
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"For example, in 2005, the Tories got more votes in England than Labour, but Labour got around 50% more English seats."
they had a chance to fix the voting system and didn't take it. from what i hear they've done their best with constituency boundaries instead.
in most countries rural voters are better represented (ie voter to MP ratio) than urban ones, so your suggestion above surprises me, but I don't have time to look into it right now.
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@14Westfield
Gembo and I will both, I think, be able to confirm that the actual conversations on doorsteps, on the street and in living rooms have been deep, sober and fully engaged. This process has by and large been a testament to Scottish civic society.
Our media have, in my view, done less well, seeking sensation and contrived conflict wherever thay can.
The referendum will not be televised.
The referendum will not be brought to you by Tunnocks In 4 parts without commercial interruptions.
The referendum will not show you pictures of Cameron blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Jock Stirrup, Paul McCartney and Ally McCoist to eat potted heid confiscated from a Wester Hailes sanctuary.
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"It isnt clear from the coverage who is on each team (other than Yes/No)as the beeb states a right wing organisation and herald doesnt identify an organisation."
Various folk on soshul meedja have been saying that the fellow who was arrested was Max Dunbar, head of the Britannica Party, formed by folk who were allegedly expelled from the BNP. They have been distributing No leaflets with racist undertones about the threat of immigration. Searchlight magazine describes them as "essentially Glasgow British National Party under another name." They are I believe registered as an official No campaign group.
Dunno who the Glaswegians were that had the altercation with him, whether they were Yes campaigners or just passersby who objected to his spiel.
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Radio Forth News (@RadioForthNews)
03/09/2014 17:25
A man, 45, has been arrested and charged with assault after an egg was throw at Labour MP Jim Murphy in Kirkcaldy last week."
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I thought the egg chucker was special branch?
My better half is a truly fantastic teacher. She reports from her worry box that a P4 child's worry is that Scotland will become independent and her best friend will leave the country
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The First Minister tries to patronise a Telegraph political reporter with a bag of sweets while struggling to answer questions about a separate Scotland's finances.
An example of precisely the sort of man Alex Salmond is and the arrogant manner in which he treats journalists who dare to ask him questions he won’t, or can’t, answer has been graphically displayed.
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One senior figure in Better Together exposed the party political tensions underlying the alliance when he said that Labour should shoulder the blame for being “too slow” to get organised."
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/scotland/referendum/article4195158.ece
Curious argument.
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The referendum is a contest between two large — and equally legitimate — visions; two ideas of who we really are. The polls are tightening and the outcome remains too close to call. This is real politics, engaging all the vital organs....
Take it from a normally jaded unionist: in Scotland now, just for a moment, the future is infinite. Yes, the outcome of the battle for Britain looks thrillingly — terrifyingly — unpredictable. But for all the right reasons.
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http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9303352/whatever-happens-in-the-referendum-now-scotland-has-won/
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But when the Labour MP for East Renfrewshire failed to answer the question "what do you have against democracy" posed by MacKenzie, the 45-year-old decided to take action.
He walked to a nearby Tesco store and bought half a dozen eggs before returning to the Fife town's High Street, where tensions between Yes and No supporters were running high.
Mackenzie then hurled his first three eggs at Mr Murphy - missing each time.
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I feel sorry for him. He's just an ordinary fella on the dole who got fed up with Jim Murphy's attitude.
I think the Sheriff handled it sensibly.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/home-buyers-using-scottish-independence-clause-1-3531426
Still Silly Season then?
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So heckler got ignored and gets angry about it? Jeeze the Fringe would be bedlam if everyone had this guys attitude...
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I feel sorry for him because he can't even throw properly. Poor guy. If Westminster had taught him well, given him at least a vocational training in yobbery or at least egg chucking, he could have had the other five eggs for his tea. OK, maybe not all five because you have to think of the cholesterol. Maybe two, in an omelette, with plenty of vegetables. Just a little bit of olive oil to stop it sticking. And some light seasoning - a little salt but as much pepper as you like. Cheap as chips and healthy as pie. Actually, much healthier than pie, although I really do like a pie. Melton Mowbraw but to be honest I don't really care where it's from but a hot water crust is a must (soppy rhyme).
But still, if you're fed up with politicians that's what it's OK to do. Throw something at them. Something between a marshmallow and a chair. Next time that Alex Salmond tries to give me some Liquorice Allsorts, especially if he's been stingy and only bought a pound bag, I'm gonna get me a mixed bag of peppers and let him have the green ones. I'll keep the red and yellow ones for my omelette.
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They should ditch Joan McAlpine (although rumour suggests this is one question on which Eck says no).
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An astonishing night's canvassing last night. I spent most of it shaking hands and dispensing hugs. I suspect I'll never feel anything like it again.
We had a German journalist out with us too, seemingly more interested in the street conversations than the speeches given in plush hotels to invited audiences.
Come what may on the 19th Scotland has changed.
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Sometimes an image emerges that crystalises a period in history. Che Guevara on the mortuary slab, General Nguyen Ngoc Loan executing his prisoner in the street, Margaret Thatcher riding in a tank and so on.
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Surely
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@instography
Too funny to become a classic, I fear. It's used as an avatar by at least one amusing online commentator.
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Loath as I am to give the man any more publicity, my 'iconic' image is this:
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crowriver - you do realise that is a model of an Astute Class Submarine, which has nothing to do with Trident.
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