@chdot, interesting that ICM poll says 42% of Labour voters now backing Yes.
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The Bank of England doesn't create the bulk of Sterling. That process is, incredibly, privatised;
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publications/Documents/quarterlybulletin/2014/qb14q102.pdf
and carried out by commercial banks. I don't know if there would be anything to stop an iScottish bank creating Sterling in the same way.
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"interesting that ICM poll says 42% of Labour voters now backing Yes."
Which makes it all the more difficult to make sense of significant % of don't knows and a 'stall' in the rise of Yes (across the polls).
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I don't really like the idea of people wasting their time chasing after Jim Murphy. They could have a far more profitable time going wherever Jim Murphy isn't and doing some campaigning. Let him howl at the moon to people who agree with him anyway otherwise the end result is that we (by which I mean the Spectator) are still talking about Jim Murphy even though he's last week's news. A lot of London journalists have descended on Glasgow and they are looking for material to send back home to their readers and they are finding it.
Murphy's tour was initially ridiculed because nobody was turning up to listen apart from the same rent-a-crowd in every press photo (someone went to the trouble of going through the photos and actually cross-referencing the crowds to highlight this). Then people started going along to heckle him. And then shout at him. I think the former tactic was far more effective than the latter. Until it got ugly, the press didn't really notice or care.
However, if Politician X has a right to stand on a street corner shouting at people through a PA system, why is it not Citizen Y's right to stand on the same street corner shouting back? Jim Murphy is intentionally sticking his head above the parapet and is attracting the "thugs", like Captain Blackadder throwing the tin hat in the air above the trench and it landing covered in bullet holes. If I saw him in action I'd be sorely tempted to send in a challenging heckle.
But the shouting and heckling isn't neccesarily even about independence - fact is he's not a massively popular man in quite a few circles. He could stand on a street corner shouting about anything else than the referendum and you could place a reasonable bet that someone will turn up to give stick back. This is after all the man has apparently "flipped" his constituency house to make it his second home, profited by renting his owned property in London while billing the taxpayer the rent for another, billed his personal tax accountants to Westminster to the tune of £2,000 and claimed £4,800 bathroom to the taxpayer and was told to pay back £3,500 of it.
Which is why I still take any article painting a picture of Jim the brave patriotic victim standing up to hordes of nationalist thugs with a pinch of Heston Bluementhal's smoked organic salt.
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"I don't know if there would be anything to stop an iScottish bank creating Sterling in the same way."
Apparent the financial world is taking bitcoin 'seriously' -
http://www.channel4.com/news/bitcoin-bank-of-england-super-rich-excluded-poor-internet-currency
Also - though this is about payment method rather than currency - a new alternative to cash -
So time for a fundamental re-think about what money IS, what it's for and who controls/benefits?
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Labour MP slams plans for her constituents to celebrate participation in historic vote shocker;
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All getting a bit craze now. Gorgeous on radio with Gerry hassan this morning.mhe is coming to sort things out.
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I am reminded of John Cleese and "the War".
"Listen, don't mention Braveheart! I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it all right. So! It's all forgotten now, and let's hear no more about it.
So, that's two Mel Gibsons, a prawn freedom, a William Wallace, and four blue faces.
The way I've heard this being spun on the tweet-o-sphere is that nationalist Mobs are to be rounding people up on the streets, marching them to the polling booths and forcing them to vote Yes. WITH A PIPER AND FACE PAINTING!
A Better Together spokesperson said: "We have had two and a half years of intense campaigning. People should be left to go to the polling stations in peace, without nationalists turning up in large groups trying to influence their vote
In other news, a pot called a kettle a particularly dark shade of grey as large groups of Unionists turn up in Glasgow from Westminster to try and influence their vote.
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Or
'as large groups of Unionists turn up in
GlasgowEdinburgh (tomorrow) fromWestminsterall over to try and influence their vote (by bearing gifts of oranges)Posted 10 years ago # -
It is all getting a bit stupid.
I'm off to Northumberland tomorrow for a few days and will (hopefully) be avoiding all of this until I get back. Any tips on good places to visit?
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LOTS of choice - depends what you are interested in
Coastal - Alnmouth, Bamburgh Castle, Holy Island.
You cycling?
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@Stickman I am envious, you are right it is all getting rather stupid!
Time for some CCE threaddrift. Northumberland I liked Seahouses for boat to Farne Islands. Lindisfarne. Bamburgh Castle (has a good wee museum on Vickers-Armstrongs if you're into bits of old aeroplane).
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Sadly not cycling, but we're hiring a campervan so should be fun!
We're planning to stay outside Seahouses so these sound like good suggestions.
I'll report back from the potential frontier when I get back.....
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Stickman - Northumberland is great. I would recommend pretty much any beach (Alnmouth and Bamburgh are favourites), the walk from Craster to Dunstanburgh Castle, Warkworth Castle (also good pubs for lunch in the village) and Alnwick Castle (pricey but good).
Budle bay is great if you like birds. Generally, its just a beautiful place and it seems quite hard to go wrong - although probably best to avoid the former mining areas, as they have seen better days.
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@stickman
Excellent threaddrift. I recommend this;
http://www.stcuthbertsway.net/index.html
Walked a bit of it this summer. It is mountain bikeable. Take your passport and some Euros etc etc etc
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probably best to avoid the former mining areas, as they have seen better days
Blackhall Beach is the grim-looking place at the end of "Get Carter" where the overhead conveyor is dumping the mining spoil, and eventually the body, into the sea.
It has been cleaned up now and is said to be pristine, so if you were hoping for the apocalyptic desolation of industrial wasteland as seen in the film you will be sorely disappointed.
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"so if you were hoping for the apocalyptic desolation"
Has the multi-storey car park been demolished?
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Returning to 'money' -
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Beamish. The Shildon branch of the NMR. Cragside, including all the bits of grounds on top of and over the back of the hill behind it.
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Sounds perfect - I like boats, birds, beaches, castles, planes, pubs. I like most things to be honest. Except licquorice. I hate licquorice. And Turkish Delight. But otherwise....
@kaputnik: a spoiler alert is usually polite :-)
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"Bamburgh Castle (has a good wee museum on Vickers-Armstrongs if you're into bits of old aeroplane)"
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That's a piece of Vickers Warwick. I think the only piece of a Warwick.
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The No campaign are worried about what Farage is going to say; looks like Jim Sillars has just gone off-message:
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29181989
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Was in Northumbria last week, lovely, friendly people just like us. Great climbing cycling holiday
In land halt whistle, corbridge both nice, hadrians wall good
Spent many family hols in bamburgh,
Good pub sea houses with books and memorabilia just down at harbour. Also crazy golf links of international standard and fish and chip shop par excellence
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Low Newton by the sea really nice - the Ship Inn serves catch of the day but runs out quickly. Nice campsite there too.
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@stickman, from that article:
'Speaking on behalf of the Better Together campaign, Labour MP Ian Davidson said: "The 'Yes' campaign's mask slipped today"
Hmm. That'll be this Ian Davidson MP:
"In September, at a conference in Orkney, Better Together's Ian Davidson MP declared that the No campaign had already won and all that was left was "to bayonet the wounded". (Sunday Herald)
His mask slipped a long time ago.
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As I've long thought, it's British Nationalism that's the problem.
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James Mackenzie @mrjamesmack
Yes voters mostly motivated by Westminster's failings. No voters by nationalist sentiment. Guardian/ICM, today. http://pic.twitter.com/7husPMg6TF----
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@libby_brooks: Fine interview by @severincarrell & @nicholaswatt with Alistair Darling, who says he may stand for Holyrood http://t.co/LTT1wjQnnO #indyref
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