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About those incandescent lights.....

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  • Started 10 years ago by allebong
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  1. allebong
    Member

    Whilst trawling through my immense collection of random spare bits I came across my old fashioned filament bulb front light. Last I can recall using this was about 6 years ago when I was commuting to school via the WoL path and canal. In fact this was back before the towpath even had it's paved surface. In the depths of winter I'd be riding in twilight - it was never totally pitch black but when overcast and wet it wasn't far off. This was also before I knew of the joys of full mudguards, or slick tyres, or had anything like my current knowledge of maintenance, with the result that even with a 15 min commute I still destroyed bikes and components very rapidly. Best moment was when a neighbor donated a bright yellow womans hybrid thing, that I quickly painted white, which then resulted in people thinking I'd stole it - didn't bother me for too long as one day just as I reached school the back wheel bearings completely seized in an instant. One minute rolling fine, the next the axle was grinding away the dropouts....emergency thread drift protocols activate! Back on topic!!

    ....Yes, the light. Here it is pictured next to my workhorse commuter light and my retina burner Cree XML T6 light. The workhorse light is the LED from a 3-watt Raleigh RX 1.0 light, the driver and battery holder from an unbranded light of similar construction, plus the body from yet another light. The reason for this hodgepodge is worthy of a thread in itself; trying to get standardised mounts across 4 bikes, 3 lights and a helmet is a nightmare but I pulled it off.

    It used to run on standard NiMh cells that were never up to much; the self discharge was a pain by itself, never mind the effect of cold. Workhorse light runs on Sanyo Eneloops - the much improved low self discharge NiMh cells, the Cree runs from a Li-ion pack. Here the CatEye is on some random C cells I borrowed from a nearby radio.

    So, how does the old stalwart light perform by today's standards?

    For the following 3 photos I used a fixed manual exposure, all 1 second at F8 and ISO 200, this chosen to expose the Cateye about as bright as it looks in a dark room. I have slightly altered the brightness further in photoshop as well.

    Step forward Mr Cateye:

    Workhorse light; do your best:

    The XML T6 has now been surpassed by a new version but I think it will still deliver. I had to have the light on its side hence the beam being sideways because of the diffuser lens:

    Now, let's look down the photon-barrels. Funny thing about this exposure is it's the absolute lowest my camera can go; the shutter was only open for 1/4000s, the aperture was as small as possible, plus I still had to dim it in photoshop - this is the smallest amount of light that can be captured by the camera:

    It looks like the venerable cateye is barely on because that's genuinely how little light it's producing in comparison.

    So I think I'll put filament bulbs in with floppy disks as things I'm extremely glad to see the back of.

    I might just bring the old Cateye to the 'I like big Lux and I cannot lie' evening planned for this Tuesday.

    Coming tomorrow: Beam comparison shots in a location slightly more interesting than part of my bedroom.

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  2. Min
    Member

    You forgot to add that they only last about 30 minutes.

    My last old-fashioned light was the VT10 AKA the VT 10 minutes.

    Definitely won't be getting nostalgic for them.

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  3. SRD
    Moderator

    wow. good to have some historical perspective!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I still have my old Cateye HL1500.

    I don't actually know if it still works, because I modified it to have a high power lightbulb and an external battery pack — in 1995. I was probably slightly ahead of the curve on that one. It fell to bits a couple of times and was superglued back together, before being retired in favour of a Cateye LED light that itself fell to bits over the years and was then thrown in the bin.

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  5. Roibeard
    Member

    My (halogen) CatEye HL-500 II has been pressed back into service for my son.

    With fresh batteries, as a "be seen" light it actually outperforms the Cateye HL-EL450 I got new for the other children. However it chomps batteries much quicker, and dims dramatically (unlike the led lights) so recharging is much more frequent...

    B&M and dynamos for all would be so much more expensive!

    Still, it might yet happen as new bikes are bought and old lights die...

    Robert

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  6. Morningsider
    Member

    Funny - I was thinking about this in relation to the thread Fimm started about visibility at night. I certainly remember getting a Cateye halgoen light and thinking it outrageously bright compared to my old Ever Ready one. Thing is, I never felt underlit while cycling to and from work using these lights. No driver ever complained that they couldn't see me and I was never involved in any incidents that could be related to my lights.

    To my mind, there now seems to be some sort of hi-vis/brightness arms war underway. I saw someone with a hi-vis helmet cover on this morning, along with a hi-vis jacket and hi-vis backpack cover. Fair enough - if that is what it takes to make that person feel safe enough to cycle. I can't help thinking that this sort of thing is creating a new type of "normal" though. Where non-cyclists can heap more opprobrium on less yellow cyclists, despite hi-vis being of fairly questionable safety benefit on an urban commute. Also, it's not a look to really attract the less committed cyclist. I'm aware I'm rambling - so I'll just stop now.

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  7. Baldcyclist
    Member

    I remember cycling home to Livi with one of those Cateye lights in the mid 90s and being next to blind as soon as I got to Newbridge. I stopped winter commuting then.

    Brighter lights seem to have evolved at the same pace as the deterioration of my eyes. I have one of those cree lights (with diffuser) and can confess to being almost as blind now once out of town as I was in the mid 90s. I slow down a lot once out of town as even those cree headlights don't afford enough light (for me) once pointed down and to the left.

    One day I will probably hit something riding blind in the dark...

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  8. wingpig
    Member

    When I was a youngster a single two-D-cell incandescent light pointing in each direction was quite acceptable for riding along Lincolnshire's unlit rural roads. As there were no light-signalled junctions anywhere the absence of a standlight when I briefly had a bottle dynamo was not considered a problem. As clothes augmented with bits of Scotchlite were not readily available I had a retro-reflective Sam Browne belt thing, which I usually thought was going a bit over the top.

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  9. DaveC
    Member

    A mate of mine found an LED conversion kit for these old Bike Lights. Longer and brighter but really retro.

    Note this link is for lights only not the conversion kit.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. amir
    Member

    @DaveC - those EveryReady lights were wot I had. Once my front light was stolen from the bike when it was parked in the bushes outside the Church during choir practice. Apparently it was used in a robbery and it took some time for the police to return the light as it was evidence.

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  11. Min
    Member

    I had a set of those too. They were bloody awful. They were so bad that they actually did make me nostalgic for the old dynamo that, when flipped on, felt like I was suddenly towing a fully grown male walrus behind my bike. Those were the days. ;-)

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  12. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I had similar lights, but in Duracell black and yellow corporate colours. They had keys too, which only served to lock the battery compartment open or shut, not the light to the bike.

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  13. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "
    I had similar lights, but in Duracell black and yellow corporate colours. They had keys too, which only served to lock the battery compartment open or shut, not the light to the bike.
    "

    Mee to, I thought they were really cool at the time.

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  14. Smudge
    Member

    Didn't everyone have these lights in the seventies? :-))
    The only good thing about them was they didn't have to hang off the handlebar or the seatpost my pet hate about 99% of modern lights), the downside being the metal clamp on mounts were vicious to paint and thin frame tubes :-(
    LED lights are imho however still the single biggest and best change to bicycles in my lifetime (so far!)

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  15. allebong
    Member

    They had keys too, which only served to lock the battery compartment open or shut, not the light to the bike.

    I had this set of plastic fantastic lights comparable to the cateye that had this feature plus being able to lock the light to the mount. You had a small yellow plastic key that fitted into a lock on the light, if I remember correctly turning it one way released the battery cover and turning it the other unlocked the light from the mount.

    LED lights are imho however still the single biggest and best change to bicycles in my lifetime (so far!)

    +1 but also for freehubs, threadless steerers, cartridge bearings, indexed shifting, disc brakes and a whole bunch of other things. Most of which haven't happened in my lifetime as such but I have spent enough time wrangling to get screw-on freewheels off, messing about with cup/cone BBs, praying to stop with cantilevers on steel rims etc that I can appreciate them.

    For maximum retrogrouchery I might buy one of these.

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  16. Smudge
    Member

    Good point! Alloy rims must come a close second, arguably first if you live somewhere rainy, *most* of the others though mainly make the mechanics life easier for a relatively small improvement for the rider surely? ;-D

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  17. allebong
    Member

    mainly make the mechanics life easier for a relatively small improvement for the rider surely? ;-D

    Depends on what the rider is doing with the bike, and exactly how much patience the mechanic (who may be the same person!) has.

    My basic town beater runs a quill stem and a freewheel and it's perfectly serviceable for moderate use. Thing is whenever I get on the disc brake, threadless and freehub equipped heavy use load lugging bike there's a very marked difference in the feel and confidence of the ride. It's likely because I swap between the two so often that I notice the inherent flex you get with quill stems, and the rather alarming way the rear axle tends to bend and warp over time with freewheels. Then when it comes to servicing the fact that a threadless headset comes apart completely with an allen key or two in the same time you've just gotten a headset wrench and/or big adjustable out for the threaded one is a big plus. Same goes with the inevitable spoke replacements on a freewheel hub - if I had a time machine I'd like to go back and meet whoever came up with the idea and ask them exactly what they were thinking. It screws on and gets tighter every time you pedal? Yep, no way that's going to cause a problem! ;P

    Cup and cone BBs - I don't even want to go there. Too much trauma from nights spent trying to get a stubborn seized cup out.

    I do have to confess I've been too lazy tonight to get the promised beam comparison shots. Never fear...I will deliver, sometime.

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  18. sallyhinch
    Member

    I can remember trying to cycle down dark Derbyshire lanes in the 1990s with an Ever Ready front light (the kind that jumped out of its plastic bracket if you went over a pothole). Drivers never, but never, dipped their headlights as I approached, meaning I'd have to cycle the next five minutes effectively blind as my eyes adjusted. Whenever a car approached I had to cycle towards it with my eyes almost shut trying to preserve some sort of night vision. Even so, I almost went into the ditch many times as there were no white lines on the edge of the road. So yes, I'd say I was probably underlit...

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  19. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I have two bikes with quill stems and two bikes with Ahead stems. While the former are indesputably much more handsome, they aren't half a pain to finely adjust compared to the latter.

    Also, with the oversize clamp on most Ahead stems, you can easily remove the bars from the stem. With every quill I've ever seen, that requires removing the brakes and tape/grip on one side.

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  20. allebong
    Member

    With every quill I've ever seen, that requires removing the brakes and tape/grip on one side.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. kaputnik
    Moderator

    ah, but I've never seen that one! Plus, if it ain't forged into a graceful gooseneck, it ain't going on my bike! </stemsnobbery>

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  22. DaveC
    Member

    Sally said "Drivers never, but never, dipped their headlights as I approached, meaning I'd have to cycle the next five minutes effectively blind as my eyes adjusted."

    Thats why they invented Cree ubber bright lights! Flick it on and watch the oncoming cars dip their sharpish!

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  23. allebong
    Member

    Every time I adjust or service a headset I wonder why there's not some sort of indexing system on the steerer tube to get it lined up right with the wheel. You know when you set it by eye, and you swear it's perfect when looking at it, but then you go for a ride and can't help but notice it's slightly off, and then you can't not notice it from then on. Rinse and repeat until you either get it right or one of your arms compensates by growing longer. I mean it wouldn't even have to be sophisticated - a small nick/cutout at the back of the top of the steerer would be enough to line up visually with the back of the stem. A mechanical solution would be the best - external bearing BBs with the splined axles are basically headsets turned on their sides so something like that would be great. Until then I'll have to spend every second on my bikes wondering just how much my bars are askew.

    While I don't yet have my time machine to go back and query the inventor of freewheels I have also decided it would be amusing to send this thread back in time about 20 years or so.

    'What? They're complaining that bike lights have become too bright and dazzling? What sort of future is that!'

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. My bars have always ended up askew after spending much time post-build making them fit just right, which confused me as they felt perfect, until I realised that my twice broken right elbow means it doesn't fully straighten and my self-fitting saw me compensating for the... erm.... lack of length.

    That started so well in my head.

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