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Can anyone tell me why the ASL at the east end of princes st is only one lane for going to Regent Road or down Leith Street, and there is NO ASL for anyone wanting to turn right up the North Bridge??
Just seems odd, to my common and road senses.
Cheers
RJ
Because This Is Edinburgh.
It is incomprehensible and therefore fits right in.
There's probably a twisted logic along the lines of the road being narrow there and therefore they don't want to encourage cyclists to filter to the right hand of an ASL when the traffic on the left would be moving.
There are quite a few places in the city where it's strange there are no ASLs, or weirdly only partial ASLs.
Yes, WC is basically right. Something like that was 'officially' explained to me once.
Didn't really understand why it couldn't be like the North Bridge/P. St. junction.
You're right, that has exactly the same scenario of traffic light sequences and yet manages to have the ASL all the way across.
There did used to be an ASL there. I remember it because I once had a shouting match with a bus driver who had totally covered it up while waiting at the red light to turn right from Princes St to North Bridge and objected strongly when I positioned my bike in front of his bus. I yelled righteously at him until the light turned green. I used to do that sort of thing when I was younger *sigh*.
There is a slight difference.
First has two lanes on green - left and straight on.
Second has two lanes on green - straight(ish) and right.
But...
Maybe something to do with the large number of buses that turn right there? A safety issue to do with blind spots, filtering past buses, etc?
Dear All,
i fired off my question on this to the council, here is the reply i got today:
"ADVANCED STOP LINE FOR CYCLISTS AT THE EAST END OF PRINCES STREET
Thank you for your email, dated 19 December 2014, regarding the issue you have raised with the above facility.
I can confirm that it is the City of Edinburgh Council’s policy not to install Advanced Stop Lines (ASLs) across the right hand lane of a junction approach where this lane is signalled separately by way of a right turn filter arrow. This is because there is a concern that cyclists could enter this area from the left hand ASL as the filter turns to green. This could result in a conflict with vehicles in the right hand lane who have just received the green filter.
Should you require any further information please contact me on the details provided below."
I dont like "could" personally....
Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions welcome.
RJ
And then there are those ASLs that I don't think I've ever seen a cyclist use - Milton Link/ Harry Lauder Road for example. Although it's perfectly legal to cycle on those roads it probably fits into the "not a good idea" category.
There specifically aren't right hand turn ASLs for turning into Sir Harry Lauder from either end (there are ASLs that in theory could be used for turning left, but are actually for going straight on).
I challenged this a few years back when the Porty roundabout was taken out and replaced with the lights, and the Councillor told me straight up that they don't want cyclists using SHLR and so deliberately didn't put in facilities heading in that direction.
Milton Link I've cycled on once before, before the limit got dropped from 60 to 40, and it was.... interesting.
Although there's an ASL at the end of Milton Road East where it joins with Harry Lauder/Milton Link/Milton Road West, the traffic lights don't detect lone cycles there; they've been Clarenced twice to no effect.
Is there an ASL for turning right? *off to Googleview*
Aha, yes, there is, though I can see why. The left lane is a left turn lane, so they're putting the bike int he right hand side to go straight on. That does mean they've got an ASL for turning left into Milton Link though.
AND there are ASLs coming from SHLR at that point.
So now I'm totally confused as to what they intend with that bit of road.
When I first moved to Porty I got a bit lost trying a shortcut and ended up cycling along Harry Lauder Rd. It didn't look too bad until the corner, and I realised what a mess I'd got myself into!
@WC wow, good spot! I've never seen it with the roundabout. Recently the traffic/driving has been so bad in the evening that the whole junction can get filled with cars, who go when the junction isn't clear.
The roundabout there used to be hellish. Much better with a signalled junction and ASLs IMO.
Yeah, normally I get on fine with roundabouts, but there was something about that one made it horrible to use (whether on bike or in car).
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