Sigh.
At what point does a judge realise that, regardless of the "hardship" they may face, someone is not sensible, competent or safe enough to be on the road?
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Takeaway driver Ala Udin not banned with 29 penalty points
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Posted 11 years ago #
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Agreed. Not sure why the "hardship" argument seems to trump all. What happens when he, with 29 points, kills someone? the uproar would I hope be massive. He's shown he's not fit for the roads and surely that's what the point system is for. Other people's lives are more important than his need to deliver tasty takeaways rather than find something he can do without breaking the law.
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Yes, what's amazing here is that even with 11 points and the risk of losing his job. He still didn't bother to get insurance, fix his defective tires or stick to the speed limit.
That seems to be pretty stupid. But then actually the legal system seems to put very little value on the risk to others caused by motorists breaking the law.
Posted 11 years ago # -
If you drive for your job, or drive to your job, or drive someone else to their job, or drive a child to school then why bother sticking to the speed limit or getting insurance? In fact, you'd be pretty stupid to do so.
Posted 11 years ago # -
I'm bemused by the fact that even with hundreds of pounds of fines, and a presumably massive insurance bill, he still finds it lucrative to deliver takeways.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Given that he wasn't paying his insurance, or maintenance on the car, it was a fairly low outgoing job...and if he was always speeding he could do quite a few deliveries in a night...
For someone who clocks up this sort of pointage in a oner, I always think that they should lose 12 points in the first three years, 12 points in the three years after and so on - this would give bans of a reasonable duration. Also, if you have 11 points, and get 6 more, you should have 5 left on your license after the license suspension has expired...
Posted 11 years ago # -
I've been told that there are differences in court guidelines that give English and Welsh courts much more leeway than Scots courts have to avoid banning drivers under totting-up. English drivers caught speeding in Scotland are sometimes suprised to find they will be lose their licence even if they say they will lose their job without it. Apparently that is not seen as exceptional hardship by Scots courts although it might be by English courts.
I found driving licence data recently which shows there were about 612,000 licence holders in the EH postcode area, about 5:1 full:provisional. 48,000 had some points, with 38,000 having 3pts, 7,300 had 6pts, and 1,100 had 9pts. 52 had a licence with 12 points and another 12 had a licence with more than 12 points, 18 being the highest, so not as bad as some headlines suggest. Some of these drivers may have completed a ban and re-gained the licence after the ban but before the points expired.
I wonder if courts are able to impose other terms on drivers? eg if they dont give someone a complete ban, could they be banned from driving anything without a speed limiter or forced to have a tracker?
Posted 11 years ago # -
He'd stand a better chance of meeting his mortgage obligations if he hadn't driven like a moron and run up £600+ of fines.
Maybe the court should waive them too?
I'm in financial services. If I were to commit fraud and be convicted, it would harm my ability to keep my job and pay my bills. I'd hope the court would take that into consideration when deciding a fitting punishment for me.
Posted 11 years ago # -
Insurance and VED would almost certainly be more than 600 pounds - I have a 10 year old Focus and my insurance (comp) is about 350, and 200 for VED - commercial insurance tends to be higher, although I've no real idea about that. He probably is showing a profit with his fines and costs over what he would have spent.
Posted 11 years ago # -
What sort of business would hire someone with 29 points on their licence for a driving job?
Of course, he's probably self-employed (legally, not technically) and the contacting business probably didn't even bother to ask.
Posted 11 years ago # -
But.... How can you go over 12??? I not understand !
Posted 11 years ago # -
A good lawyer, a scofflaw attitude and a ridiculous sentencing system...
Posted 11 years ago #
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