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"LEITH TO PORTOBELLO CYCLE ROUTE IMPROVEMENTS"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Another day, another bizarrity.

    Path is 'open' - but I'm assuming unfinished.

    Based on all the previous posts I'm assuming - AGAIN - these are the wrong sort of tactiles -

    ('Cos they are the same flat-tops on both sides.)

    I also assume that the shared use white lines are still to be painted.

    BUT

    Even then, surely tactiles just in front of chicanes can't be right!!(?)

    ALSO

    I assume the alignment of the chicanes has still to be corrected -

    Even then, some people will probably go round them!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    'Wrong sort of tactiles'?

    Nope. I think they are right (as far as that goes).

    The round topped ones are for use at hazards, like at the top of a flight of steps or a railway platform.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    On the Seafield Road section, LOVELY new tarmac -

    BUT

    The bridge is still 'shut' -

    But, but

    (when coming from Porty/Seafield Prom) there are no temporary pedestrian lights until after the bridge!!

    Apparently there is another set east of the coastal route from Porty - which is clearly not satisfactory!

    So continue on the path (by pushing the plastic barrier aside) I found this -

    In spite of comments (upthread) that 'nothing was being done' to the crashbarrier and chevrons, I didn't (want to) believe it.

    Past the bridge is a less moveable barrier and the lights for those who used the previous lights to cross over to the other pavement -

    IT'S THE WEEKEND.

    Presumably no more work until Monday.

    Surely there is no need for the barriers each side of the bridge??

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "Nope. I think they are right"

    OK so this is more confusing.

    I thought the 'discussion' (particularly on Broomhouse Path) 'concluded' that they should be diff profile on cycle and ped side (with a central divider)(??)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. crowriver
    Member

    Have they really blanked out those (relatively recently installed) 30 mph speed limit signs? So is it national speed limit now on Seafield Road East?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "Have they really blanked out those (relatively recently installed) 30 mph"

    Don't know.

    Something is blanked.

    I assumed it was a shared use sign that 'wasn't ready' - or a segregated one waiting for the median paint.

    If was a 30, presumably someone had decided it's not legal(?)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. fimm
    Member

    Chdot, if my understanding of what SRD and others have posted is correct, you are right. That is to say, I think there should be different kinds of tactiles on each side of the path. But North Meadow Walk is just like your photo. I get the feeling that so long as "we" get the flat-topped tactiles "we" don't really care what the pedestrian half is like...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    "I get the feeling that so long as "we" get the flat-topped tactiles "we" don't really care what the pedestrian half is like..."

    Probably, not sure any of 'us' are convinced (most of) it is necessary - even when done 'correctly'.

    Even less convinced about chicanes.

    I am well aware that 'we' shouldn't want (or be imagined to want) 'no restrictions' so we can just 'plough through pedestrians', but in general much of this seems to be (not) solving a problem that problem that barely exists and increases (potential) conflict, confusion and bad feeling(s).

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. le_soigneur
    Member

    @chdot "Surely there is no need for the barriers each side of the bridge??"
    They are only half-barriers now ;-)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "They are only half-barriers now ;-)"

    Glad to hear it!

    Can you explain the eastern lights?

    Never saw them coming up from the prom.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. kaputnik
    Moderator

    What sort of tools does one need to lift one of those tactiles? Once you get one up it surely can't be that hard to spin the others around so they're all perpendicular to direction of travel?

    Assume they're as lightly attached to the substrate as all the others they've installed i.e. not at all

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. le_soigneur
    Member

    @chdot I came up the Seafield prom, the barrier was half open so I assumed it was at both ends (wrong). I didn't take any notice of the eastern lights.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "I didn't take any notice of the eastern lights."

    You mean you didn't see them either!

    (Or any signs saying 'turn left and cross the road'!!)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    @chdot, they were definitely '30' signs. The very recent (just Feb/March I think?) shared use signs are blue.

    I can only assume it is something to do with the TRO governing the path widening? Maybe the signs are now 'too far back' from the road to be legal? If so why didn't they remove the posts? Or do they have to put bigger signs in? Someone will know...

    Maybe they'll drop the limit to 20mph? #inyerdreams

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. SRD
    Moderator

    "Maybe they'll drop the limit to 20mph? #inyerdreams"

    Fairly soon* all of the neighbourhood partnerships will be holding consultations on moving 'residential and shopping' streets with 'high footfall' to 20mph. Suspect you may struggle to make a case for the inclusion of this road, but you will get a chance to do so.

    *decision to be made at next transport committee meeting.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. drnoble
    Member

    Think the blanked off speed limit is where the A199 changes to 40mph, but blanked out because of temporary 30mph speed limit through the roadworks. It is 40 from about there to Brunstane, then 50 out to the bypass.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    Definitely used to say 30. Possibly 30 on the east-facing side, 40 on the west-facing?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. Focus
    Member

    @ chdot

    "On the Seafield Road section, LOVELY new tarmac -"

    So how long before they dig it up?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. wingpig
    Member

    It's still 30 on the east-facing side.
    Narrowest point (between lamp-post and lumpy concrete at base of setting of chevron-holder) is just under 1.2m.

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    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. wingpig
    Member

    Measuring:

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    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. SRD
    Moderator

    "this video is unavailable"

    Posted 9 years ago #
  22. urchaidh
    Member

    The path was open this morning, lovely smooth tarmac, jet black with the sheen of rain on it. The crossing lights were still in pace at the Porty end and the cones are still on the road. I guess they still have re-do the road markings.

    They've applied a 300mm strip of Shellgrip (or similar) on the edge of the path next to the road.

    When I got the the temporary crossing at the Leith end, just after the bridge, the barrier was still in place but it has been reversed to close the section between there and the 'Halfords' junction - there's another barrier at the lights there. The road has been coned between too, no idea what they're planning there, more Shellgrip perhaps.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. wingpig
    Member

    Links chicanes navigable with a trailer, just:

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    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

    Rode the Seafield Road path a few times in the past couple of days.

    It's much, much better than it was. Mostly very good, in fact. Smooth, wide. Even part of the bridge seems to have improved slightly.

    They do need to sort out the railway bridge properly though. Really they do.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. bdellar
    Member

    So, am I right in thinking that the slabs in chdot's photo of the Links path tell visually impaired people to walk into the chicane?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    "tell visually impaired people to walk into the chicane?"

    What other explanation is there?!

    I'm going to start a new thread on tactiles, chicanes and BOLLARDS!

    Meanwhile, check (t + c but no B).

    UPDATE

    New thread

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. Klaxon
    Member

    The 'go around them' desire line is certainly becoming apparent in the grass, so the fences are doing their job at keeping bikes away from the School....

    Posted 9 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    "so the fences are doing their job at keeping bikes away from the School...."

    That's fine.

    But presumably by accident more than 'positive' design!

    Will it get more people to cycle?

    Will it show that 'cyclists' are anything more than a 'problem'??

    Will it improve the perception and/or reality of 'shared use'???

    Posted 9 years ago #
  29. Klaxon
    Member

    Of course not. It stinks and I resent the fact it's called a 'cycle path' it every time I've been past.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    "I resent the fact it's called a 'cycle path' it every time I've been past"

    Yes!

    Hard to believe that Sustrans was involved.

    Sadly, perhaps not...

    Posted 9 years ago #

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