@ejstubbs: I’ve been walking my dog on the golf course: quite a few people doing similar, although at a safe distance. There were some people still playing golf at the weekend. Today I saw a golfer shouting and threatening a greenkeeper who had pointed out the course was closed. Golf is one hell of a drug.
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Today's rubbish pedestrians
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Going for a walk round here too much of a health hazard as footways, shared use paths all hoaching except after dark.
Cycling better, but still too many drivers out and about. Was very quiet on roads a few days ago, but car users now seem to have realised they can drive about the place frivolously and plod doesn't give a monkey's...
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Speeding much more prevalent on the road than normal but would hope people have not realise highly unlikely to be breathalised
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This may encourage the more anxious to be a little less anxious:
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2020/apr/02/the-new-rules-of-lockdown-how-to-stay-clean-safe-and-two-metres-away-from-everyone“The protocol,” explains Dr Jane Greatorex, a virologist, microbiologist and senior tutor at Lucy Cavendish College, Cambridge, “is that nobody can breathe the virus on you. Experiments have been done looking at that. But if you are passing too close and an individual coughs on you, then you do stand a chance of being infected.” (emphasis mine).
The whole article is good.
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@unhurt, have you thought about carrying a broom handle when out walking. Holding it out when there is space would encourage runner to go wide.
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Pool noodle?
I carried a pole saw on my bike once and nobody came even close.
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...or a cardboard model of Jürgen Klopp (see article).
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@fimm, think that article has been on here before. As pointed out only 60% have cough.
Whilst the article is fine, it is not wholly accurate. Same as all other articles. If anything Greatorex is too upbeat.
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Chap on the meadows last night was managing to jog while simultaneously presenting a constant and impressive C19 cough. We gave him a very wide berth and took our family exercise to the back streets of the southside which were absolutely deserted.
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‘Fraid so Snowy - exercise addicts as bad as John Keays when it comes to selfishness. Let’s hope they get Christmas. See also loads of cycling fora justifying their flouting of lockdown
[vintage Fall Reference]
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@gembo given that the article was published today that is unlikely...
And are cyclists "exercise addicts"? Selfish?
Some people behave selfishly, some do not. Please don't lump people together whatever they may be doing.
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@fimm, I have time machine then Same stuff she said before, same missing out that only 60% have cough, only one Greatorex. I read it in Cambridgeshire News. Greatorex is great but she does not have all the answers, just the upbeat ones Not clear to me whether the Guardian journalist is rehashing. The earlier Cambs. Story or not?
NOt all cyclists or runners are exercise addicts, I have been Zen about not being out on my bike
But I didn’t say cyclists or runners were exercise addicts, I said exercise addicts are as bad as John Keays
Snowy was talking about one coughing runner
I see lots of people foot of my garden passing too close. Lots, coughing cyclist, coughing runners, coughing dog walkers the first two groups I would say are being selfish or thoughtless the dog wALKERS have to walk the dog but should they go coughing down a b=narrow, very busy shared use path? I think no.
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Same stuff she said before, same missing out that only 60% have cough, only one Greatorex
Unless I'm mistaken, her point is that the coughs/sneezes are required for much of the spread. The ~40% cases with no cough likely won't be contributing much to the spread.
Of course this unlikely to be a comfort to you if you have managed to pick up the bug from a fomite. Bear in mind that the power to stop that form of spread is in your hands...literally!
On hand washing: I have observed there always seems to be plenty of Wrights Coal Tar[1] soap available in the shops. Other less pungent brands are sold out.
[1] Alas, this no longer contains actual coal tar...
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@Medium Dave yes she is good on the Dont panic if someon walked passed you within 2 metres and they weren’t coughing.
But less good on the how much coughing you can do (Cambs article not Guardian lift)
Cougher - Cough Cough
Judge Gembo - why are you out and about coughing your germs everywhere you selfish exercise addict?
Cougher - I was coughing yesterday and the day before so this is end of Day 3 and Jane Greatorex says only infectious for 3 days so I am fine to run now
Judge Gembo - but Prince Charles had to self isolate for 7 days
Cougher - But I have not been tested and Jane Greatorex says it is finePosted 4 years ago # -
[1] Alas, this no longer contains actual coal tar...
Elf and Safety gone mad that.
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I love wrights coal tar but Mrs Garto wont have it in the house
Received a p-word down near Dunsyre one sunny summers day and a local person invited me in to the house to wash my hands with Wrights Coal Tar and drink a big glass of diluting orange. Was maybe 15 years ago which in Dunsuyre was 1959
When I worked in Saughton the cons used to try to get the Doctor to say they had psoriasis so they could be written up for Polytar shampoo which was Gratis rather than paying over the odds for Vosene at the jail shop. This was back in 1995 which for SaUGHTON was 1842
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@gembo: IMO zen is the right approach when taking exercise as well: forget trying to beat your best time for your favourite Strava segment, focus on treating the people with whom you're sharing your exercise space with respect and courtesy, take it easy, chill a bit.
(Edit: Reference also the recent postings on the "I had a lovely ride today, thankyou" thread.)
I've found even some pedestrians seem to get in a 'zone' where all they have on their minds is getting from A to B regardless. However, most do seem to be at least trying to comply with the guidance, and a fair proportion are actively co-operative and friendly about it.
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@gembo: Is this the article you were thinking of?
It's dated 25th March.
I suspect Zoe Williams spoke to Dr Greatorex subsequent to the Cambridge Independent article coming out. I can't see any obvious duplication of words in the quotes that Zoe attributes to Dr Greatorex in her article in The Guardian so I don't think it was just lifted. (Unlike someone who has lifted Zoe's article word for word and posted it on YouTube, complete with mournful piano backing and I suspect unauthorised use of a Getty Images stock photo used in the article.)
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@ejstubbs, yes agreed, the guardian unlikely just to lift and the quotes are not the same words. I could not find the original (read on facebook). But Greatorex is definitely at the optimistic end.
I was down in my wasteland last night and my elderly neighbour came by on path we were fair distance apart so fine.
I do think there is a fine line between scapegoating and people not observing what is supposed to benefit us all because it does not suit them
Saturday sunshine will be a test of this. 400euro fine in Germany if you stand too close. Hence their lower numbers but even there they are not immune.
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Saturday sunshine will be a test of this.
Car owners living in flats will be sorely tempted.
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Polis should get down the beauty spots, catch some rays and educate the public
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And also
"Trust me. I'm an optimist. But, I've also seen what social isolation can do to people (I worked in community mental health as an occupational therapist). We need to be strategic about the approach we take. I don't think an authoritative/punitive stance is good for the long haul.
Tell people you understand the challenges they face. Validate their experience. Show them you care by opening streets up for people to walk, roll & cycle. I suspect this will yield better results. I think it can keep people in better spirits and help ensure compliance with rules."
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I've heard a lot of snobbery about outdoor use from people who (like me) live in a comfortable house with private outdoor space. I've spent almost no time on the paths or streets--I don't need to.
But a father and child in Ottawa were cautioned by the local police for kicking a ball in an empty field--not a park, a field.
I know that there's a difference between public health and individual health. But folks with gardens really need to start realising the impact of living in a small flat in a densely populated area.
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Or how poverty forces you together in this country and in Indian cities etc.
Lucky to be able to socially isolate in a big house with a big garden and the countryside on my doorstep
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There is a lot of finger pointing going on in colinton especially at people driving up to park on Bonaly Road to access the hills despite the car parks being closed, of course while accessing the pentlands on foot at the same time. While I agree to a certain extent that people shouldn't be driving to exercise, I also think that potentially many will be older people from Colinton driving to walk their dogs in the hills as they do most days anyway.
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I wonder what is happening with the Newtown shared private gardens the ones exempt from the access code where residents have a key
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Walking through Blackford Glen/Hermitage of Braid yesterday, you could easily have got the impression that social distancing has been officially cancelled. Apart, that is, from the notices posted along the main track trying to re-emphasise the message.
The biggest issue seemed to be groups of people walking together apparently unable, unwilling or just too stupid to drop in to single file when passing someone coming the other way. (Actually this sort of behaviour was not uncommon during normal times when encountering groups of people walking along the pavement. And it annoyed me then, too. I suppose the risk of having to step out in to the carriageway simply to get past might be roughly equivalent to that of contracting or passing on COVID-19 to a random, untraceable passer-by?)
The next biggest gripe was two people walking along together who would separate to opposite sides of the 10ft wide track leaving a ~6ft gap for me to walk through. If they'd both moved to the same side then there'd have been plenty of space to pass safely.
The third annoyance was parents with unruly bands of offspring making no effort to keep their darlings under control and, more specifically, out of other people's way. Again, not uncommon outside of lockdown but particularly culpable in the present circumstances.
And last but by no means least: runners who, when faced with pedestrians ahead passing each other in opposite directions at a safe distance, seemed unable to drop their pace a fraction until there was a safe gap to pass each group in turn, but just barged on through between both. I swear one only just missed brushing my shoulder by an inch or two.
Today at Flotterstone instances of similar unhelpful behaviour were observed, although it wasn't quite as busy as the Hermitage was yesterday.
(Sadly, I did see one or two folks on bikes also committing some of the above solecisms. But it was only a few. I suspect that cyclists tend to be more aware of the traffic, of whatever kind, they are sharing a space with in any case. It does seem that rather too many folks partially disconnect their brains when moving about on foot, especially if they are engrossed in a fascinating conversation with their companions - or have their eyes glued to their phone.)
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@ejstubbs
You might want to try some of the further out hills East Cairn/ West Cairn/Craigengar in the SW Pentlands
There is nobody there.
From your end drive down to Dunsyre? Or Carlops/West Linton/Nine Mile Burn??
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This. 100% this. How can people not realise.
The next biggest gripe was two people walking along together who would separate to opposite sides of the 10ft wide track leaving a ~6ft gap for me to walk through. If they'd both moved to the same side then there'd have been plenty of space to pass safely.
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