"I must have been thinking of the conurbation"
Yes, but actually I'm not sure if Ken or GD where actually talking about population!
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"I must have been thinking of the conurbation"
Yes, but actually I'm not sure if Ken or GD where actually talking about population!
He'd need a much longer series
Oh God I do hope not! Thanks, but no thanks Ecan Davis.
Depends where you draw the lines!
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Jeremy David Parker (@not3bad)
11/03/2014 12:27
@EvanHD According to the 2011 census, Greater Manchester's population was just under 2.7million; the West Midlands was 5.6 million?
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Evan Davis (@EvanHD)
11/03/2014 12:32
@not3bad The West midlands built-up area is different to the government region. sorry that was not clear.
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The line between Edinburgh and Midlothian (and Musselburgh) doesn't entirely make 'sense'.
Lothian Regional Council made quite a lot of sense for a Edinburgh and the surrounding areas - dealt with Transport.
I have a feeling I may have posted some of this elsewhere, but here goes. More on Crossrail.
On state funding versus business contributions, some interesting snippets on funding in the National Audit Office report this year:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/public-accounts/Crossrail.pdf
"Managing the Department’s financial contribution
2.10 The bank account for Crossrail Limited’s work is currently £1.8 billion in surplus as the Department and Transport for London provide funding in excess of Crossrail Limited’s planned spending. When the programme schedule was extended by 18 months (paragraph 2.8) the Department and Transport for London did not extend the payment schedule to Crossrail Limited. Holding a significant cash balance is contrary
to HM Treasury guidance; surplus funds held in the Crossrail bank account cannot be used in the short term to fund the Department’s other objectives, nor returned to HM Treasury to minimise the amount of government borrowing. There are some benefits to the large balance, which Crossrail Limited is using to offset Network Rail’s financing costs and which also allows Crossrail Limited some flexibility to start work early. With the Department’s last payment due in January 2016, the funding should also be protected from potential revision under the next spending review. However, we consider that the level of surplus funding is high and the opportunity costs may outweigh the benefits.
Funding for the Crossrail programme
2.11 Figure 8 overleaf sets out the funding sources and the contributions towards the funding required for the Crossrail programme, which were agreed in principle in 2007. Of the total, £12.5 billion is funding Crossrail Limited’s work, while the remaining £2.3 billion is for work by Network Rail.
2.12 In addition to its direct contribution of £4.8 billion, the Department is also ultimately responsible for:
- expenditure by Network Rail above its £2.3 billion financing;
- expenditure by Crossrail Limited above its £12.5 billion funding; and
- any shortfall in the £480 million of private sector funding that the Department has tried to secure for infrastructure."
Worth checking the diagram on page 8. It shows how much will be raised by TfL in business levies, rates surcharges, etc. If you search on the interweb there's a lot of controversy about these charges in the media.
Also:
"2.15 The Department currently expects that one-third of the private sector funding it negotiated for Crossrail infrastructure will not actually be received (Figure 9 overleaf). The Department negotiated agreements worth a total of £480 million, although it is not clear how the expected City of London Corporation contribution was calculated. These contributions are now likely to total £320 million, 67 per cent of the Department’s expectation. This leaves a potential shortfall of £160 million which the Department will need to meet, from funds it had already set aside for the purpose."
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