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PoP 2014 - Thoughts?

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  • Started 10 years ago by I were right about that saddle
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  1. Snowy
    Member

    Looks like a great day and I'm sorry I wasn't around this year to be part of it. Unfortunately it clashed with a charity event, Tour de Lauder, which I was already booked on by the time I became aware of this year's PoP date.

    I suspect a fair number of the 500 riders on the TdL would have been natural PoP attendees, since everyone I spoke to knew about it. And for me, my own attendance would have meant the rest of family, so four more bikes at PoP, and that scenario might apply to others too.

    So, one suggestion is that when choosing a date for PoP 2015, it might be worth checking/assessing any potential clashes with other nearby cycle events. I know it's not possible to avoid everything, but it's just a thought.

    Anyway - very well done to all involved !

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    "So, one suggestion is that when choosing a date for PoP 2015, it might be worth checking/assessing any potential clashes with other nearby cycle events"

    Absolutely. Last year we clashed with edinburgh long weekend and lots of families were away. this year we were seeking to avoid that, but late easter followed by may bank holidays makes it very tricky indeed, especially when you start factoring in the big races, the cycling show thing in glasgow etc

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Aye.

    Must be an 'optimum' and a 'back-up'.

    Key think is for the PoP 'core' to decide (when it's ready) and get CEC/Police/etc. to agree ASAP.

    People can plan their holidays around it!

    Easter Day 2015 April 5th

    Edinburgh schools' holiday 3rd - 20th

    April 25th, May 2nd (Sats)

    Westminster election 7th May - so politicians either 'too busy' or 'desperate' for votes'.

    9th 'meet your new MPs'??

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. Colin
    Member

    Well done to everyone involved in organising POP 2014.

    It was great to be involved in it.

    Getting kids involved with speeches was a brilliant idea.

    Cheers
    Colin

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. Kim
    Member

    Within the PoP core group there is already talk of next year, and the weary resignation that we are going to do the whole thing again (most of us live in the hope that someday soon that the bicycle will become as normal a means of transport as the car is now and we won't have to run another PoP ride).

    Yes it would be great if we could find a date with no clashes so that everyone could attend, but the reality is that's no going to happen. There will always be a competing event, no matter how hard we try and how far in advance we make the decision.

    I see there is lots of talk of toilets, yes this an issue we are aware of, but hiring in toilets is simply beyond our resources. Not only is PoP a grass roots group entirely run by volunteers (although for some of us it feels more like a full time job), it is also run on a very thin shoe string. For the first PoP we spent total of £300! OK we spent a wee bit more this time, but we are still entirely funded via the donations button on the website, the sale of T-shirts and the sale of home baking on the day. Probably the best we can do is to find out where all the publicly accessible toilets in the area are and try to tell people.

    The minutes silence: there will always be a problem with trying to hold the minutes silence on the Meadows as people are so spread out it difficult to communicate effectively with them. Also this year there were people still arriving after it was over (actually there were sill people arriving at the Meadows 20 minutes after the 1st riders had left the Meadow). My feeling is that it would be better to hold the minutes silence at Holyrood after the last person has arrived from the Meadows and before the speeches start. Especially now that we have learned to keep people there by putting on a comedy act to keep them entertained while they wait.

    Any thoughts about moving PoP to September in 2015? The is one suggestion we have been mulling over.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "Any thoughts about moving PoP to September in 2015?"

    Unwise to break up the 'rhythm' without a very good reason.

    An 18 month gap would mean too many people would have 'forgotten' about the event - and perhaps the reason for it.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. sallyhinch
    Member

    I had forgotten about Westminster elections next year. Hmmm. On the one hand, it might make a good pressure point on politicians, on the other hand, politicians will have other things on their minds, even non Westminster ones.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    "on the other hand, politicians will have other things on their minds, even non Westminster ones"

    Indeed.

    They will have to think about their priorities...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    This year's PoP was held not long before European elections (May 22nd, in case you are interested in voting). Not that there's been much of a campaign visible, unless you count UKIP all over the media everywhere you look...

    Might also be an idea to wait until after the independence referendum before choosing a date? Certainly might influence the approach to campaigning, depending which way the vote goes.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "Might also be an idea to wait until after the independence referendum"

    I was thinking of adding that, but decided that in terms of #PoP2015, a No vote would mean that (in transport/cycle terms) things would be just the way they are now. A Yes vote would mean there would be negotiations going on that would be unlikely to have 'cycling' as a particularly priority.

    My view remains PoP in 12 months with an agreed date as far in advance as possible.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  11. PS
    Member

    Sorting out transport and cycling especially isn't something that should be waiting for the referendum outcome. No new powers are needed to sort this.

    I know politicians will be "distracted" but it's their job to juggle lots of big issues and look after the public interest. Perhaps even more so if their key selling point is putting Scotland first.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    Sorting out transport and cycling especially isn't something that should be waiting for the referendum outcome. No new powers are needed to sort this.

    We're not talking about 'sorting out' anything other than the date of the next PoP. Folk had raised the spectre of the UK elections, I'm saying maybe wait and see what happens in September before setting a date, that's all.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

  14. Instography
    Member

    He'll give himself an ulcer with all that fury.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Instography

    Indeed. I'm much keener to see flowers strapped to handlebars than cameras strapped to helmets. Most of the headcam footage I see makes me wonder if a few hours of therapy might be helpful. Anger is destructive if it doesn't get transformed into creative drive in short order.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    "Anger is an energy". (PiL)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." (MKG)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  19. wingpig
    Member

    "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate to... suffering..." (Yoda)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  20. neddie
    Member

    I think Big Keith was not booed or heckled simply because everyone was so gobsmacked he actually turned up.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    "Let fury have the hour, anger can be power
    D'you know that you can use it?"
    (The Clash)

    Posted 10 years ago #
  22. i
    Member

    Interesting about how to make people linger more at the Parliament area. We'd need to give more reasons to linger afterwards.

    Some food stalls to sell cakes, biscuits and drinks could be an opportunity to raise more funding for PoP. Its lunch time and a lot of hungry people on bikes.

    I missed the MP and MSP desk area, I don't know how long that lingered over for and what that was like.

    Did we have a letter writing desk? That would be good for writing to politicians.

    I rather liked when David Brennan last year asked the crowd "Is the government doing enough?" , you can guess the response.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  23. acsimpson
    Member

    The Politicians were standing just in front of David. There seemed to be flags to let people know which area they covered but these weren't being held above head height so not very obvious for those further away. I'm not sure they had any sort of desks though.

    I liked the chant which the young girl got the crowd to do before the kid's speeches, although I'm not sure it had as many people shouting as it could have done.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  24. I stood behind all the politicians (MPs/MSPs/Councillors). Sally Hinchcliffe (I think) stood near them for a while with a flag on a pole indicating that they were there, but other than their pals saying hello I didn't see anyone come up and speak to them from the time I arrived until I left. They stayed to the very end though.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    "I didn't see anyone come up and speak to them"

    I don't think they were 'overwhelmed', but various people did, so it was a good idea worth repeating and 'flagging' more clearly.

    One person engaged with at least three politicians!

    Posted 10 years ago #
  26. That's good. I was worried that it hadn't worked as an idea.

    Looks like they were speaking to the ones not gathered in the bunch in front of me (L Hinds, Ian Murray, Andrew Burns and others)

    The Leith Feeder Ride had Cllr Adam McVey riding with us, and he was spotting poor infrastructure along the way to take up with the relevant people afterwards, as well as asking us for anything we were unhappy with.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  27. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Adam McVey riding with us, and he was spotting poor infrastructure along the way to take up with the relevant people afterwards, as well as asking us for anything we were unhappy with.

    Chdot cleverly took him out on a pre-Pop bad infrastructure training session so he should now be fully qualified at what works and what doesn't. After all, the best way to test it (and the way the council seem to refuse to do) is to try riding a bicycle through it.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  28. fimm
    Member

    I went and spoke to Marco Biagi. I had an interesting chat with him, though I'm not quite sure what I came away with, and then I went off because I thought someone else might want to talk to him.

    I did think that it was a good idea. I wonder how many people realised they were there. Maybe sticking them all up on the "grassy knoll" would have made them more visible? Dave B did keep saying that they were there and to come and speak to them.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  29. sallyhinch
    Member

    It was my incompetence with bamboo and forgetting the sellotape that made the politicians less conspicuous than they might have been. Other than that, we mentioned it several times, it was on the 'on the day' flyer (how many of you got one of those?) and I was standing around with a lemon with a sign directing people towards the relevant people, so we did our best. The politicians seemed very happy from the emails I got afterwards, perhaps because they *weren't* mobbed, but I know that Ian Fyfe (widower of Audrey) buttonholed Keith Brown and was giving him some full and frank feedback from what I've heard. That alone was probably worth the price of admission.

    We may put them on the grassy knoll next year, but it's a bit of a scramble to get on and off it if you're in non-cycling jeans. Also we have to remember not to call it the grassy knoll.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  30. Instography
    Member

    And where exactly is the nearest book depository?

    Posted 10 years ago #

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