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CEC and chicanes
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Posted 6 years ago #
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That path needs widening by taking some land off Tesco.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Heras fencing now up. Doh.
Just about passable if you are not in a wheelchair. Standard bikes only.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Boo
Posted 6 years ago # -
Footpath now closed at the entrance to the Warriston path opposite Tesco.
Posted 6 years ago # -
Having just started cycling about town with a trailer.... Chicanes can go fluff themselves. Discriminatory things and mostly useless for speeding cyclists. See also speed bumps on paths.
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Footpath now closed at the entrance to the Warriston path opposite Tesco.
They'll be putting down new tarmac today - the fresh stuff was as far as about 100 yards from the tunnel last night.
Chicanes can go fluff themselves. Discriminatory things and mostly useless for speeding cyclists. See also speed bumps on paths.
Yup. A reaction to "something must be done" complaints rather than anything practical or useful as far as I can see. If only the angle grinder perps could recognise the opportunity of getting into the scrap metal business rather than the second hand bicycle market...
Posted 6 years ago # -
Maybe some hope of the Cramond Falls Cafe Chicane departing this world
https://twitter.com/kevin_lang/status/997543617819480064?s=19
Feel free to add your support
Time will tell if anything comes of it..
Posted 6 years ago # -
Making progress...
Can the good people of West Edinburgh take a look at this lost and let me know what I have missed?
Thanks
https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1016321546242215937?s=19
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Some interesting responses to this FOI
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/site/custom_scripts/proxy.php?file=/documents/19809/19809%20Response.pdf
Only 1 chicane has been approved by CEC in New builds since 2016 (Aglient in SQ) and that one isn't compliant with Cycling by Design...
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It looks like of the 5 chicanes which Cala installed they only have permission for 2 of them. Given that cycling by design states "Access controls on cycle routes should be avoided wherever possible, and only used where
there is a proven requirement." I don't see anyway chicanes on a new path could ever be fully compliant.It also looks like the roads consent was given several months after installation and despite not ever having been available for commenting as a planning application.
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Urgent!
Can you all please send me pictures of chicanes built in the last 5 years that aren't compliant with Cycling by Design?
https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1032288785009188864?s=19
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Anyone got pictures of Magdelene Glen's chicanes?
Posted 6 years ago # -
Will try and add more tomorrow, but off top of my head:
Murrays/Lasswade Road (2018)
Paterson Place/Niddrie Mill Drive (2015/16)
Hyvot Mill Drive (x4) (~2013)
Path at RIE going to Craigmillar Castle Road (2016)
Greendykes Road, path into RIE (~2017)
Two in Magdalene Glen (2017)
Niddrie Marischal Road/Hunter Hall Park (not checked, but looks non-compliant on Street View) (2016)Gilmerton-Shawfair path at Old Dalkeith Road (2018) - this one's in Midlothian and is compliant other than meeting the right hand barrier first.
Posted 6 years ago # -
+ the multiple duffness in Queensferry
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Dunno when the ones at the end of Westburn Middlefield were installed, just before it goes over the canal, but they're brutal.
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Anyone got pictures of Magdelene Glen's chicanes?
Think I have a video somewhere of me failing to cycle through them.
Posted 6 years ago # -
You want photos of the others?
Posted 6 years ago # -
"QUESTION NO 15
By Councillor Hutchison for answer by the Convener of the Planning Committee at a meeting of the Council on 23 August 2018
Question
(1)
Can the Convener please confirm whether any plans for chicanes in new housing developments are reviewed by planning officers against the Cycling by Design Guidance prior to consideration of the relevant application?Question
(2)
Are chicanes inspected by the Council to confirm compliance following installation by developers?Question
(3)
How many non-compliant chicanes have been installed across the city in the last 5 years?"Posted 6 years ago # -
Trying to give Cllr Hutchison an idea of the scale and implications of the non-compliant chicanes, so probably best to put them up in the twitter thread if you have some.
The historic ones are obviously a problem, but it should be easy enough not to approve any future non-compliant ones.
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The new one on the path that links the NEPN to City Park Way (the way through to the Ferry Road Morrisons) is not compliant. Longtitudinal separation is 1.6m; the gap on each side is 1.45m. I can email you a photo but not on Twitter.
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Email please. I have sent you my address by PM
Posted 6 years ago # -
Herriot Watt using massive boulders to block the cycle route - they don't. The last wee bit heading east that takes you into a derelict building's car park on the pavement like signposted and everything then dumps you on the slip road from park and ride. Weird.
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Question (3) How many non-compliant chicanes have been installed
across the city in the last 5 years?"Answer (3) There are no records of non-compliant chicanes being
installed as part of housing developments in the last 5 years."My emphasis.
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How does that square with FOI 19809 (above) where they admit Aglient isn't compliant?
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It doesn't.
Pretty sure that the Paterson Place one was also installed as part of a housing development.
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“no records” worth emphasising too!
It remains unclear how many chicanes (historic and recent) don’t meet standards (that apparently aren’t mandatory) and/or have been installed without ‘proper” permission.
There OUGHT to be a simple system where if chicanes ‘offend’ they should be reviewed (even if they ‘comply’).
Of course the bigger problem remains - default attitude of Govs, LAs, Planners, developers that ‘bikes are a nuisance’, ‘pedestrians need protecting’ - which is fine, but chicanes usually make things worse and, as we all know, there are greater dangers, ‘motors are more important and need to be given priority’.
Good on you HankChief (and others).
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There OUGHT to be a simple system where if chicanes ‘offend’ they should be reviewed (even if they ‘comply’).
The active travel team has plans to review them all, but the member of staff who was going to do so has moved on and hasn't been replaced yet.
It'd really help if other arms of the council weren't busy installing new ones.
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“It'd really help if other arms of the council weren't busy installing new ones.”
No records of those...
Posted 6 years ago # -
No records of those...
Might be records of the ones not in housing developments.
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