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Meanwhile in Finland

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  • Started 10 years ago by amir
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  1. amir
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    Last week I was in Helsinki on a work trip. I was left with a very positive impression of cycling facilities there and in the country, some of the best I've seen. They seem to take it seriously and numbers seemed quite high though I guess they drop dramatically in winter (though some paths are heated). Drivers also seemed less tense and rushed than here. Of course Helsinki does have quite wide streets and the country is not densely populated.

    - there are very good off-road routes available both in town and parallel to quite a few roads out of town. These tend to be much wider than those you see here and often have clear lanes for pedestrians and for cycling different directions.

    - in Helsinki, there are wide lanes for cycling alongside the roads, but separated by a curb from the traffic and from pedestrians by colouring and thick lines. Peds and cyclists tend to get priority on crossings (zebra style) unless there are lights. The lanes are generally much wider than here.

    - on some paths usage is mixed ped/cyclist but these tend to be less common and used.

    - there is a lovely wooden town, Porvoo, some 50km from Helsinki, with rough cobbled streets - much promoted for cycling. This looks like an interesting hill climb

    - sometimes the cycle path is the only smooth surface amongst the cobbles

    - there was an excellent off road path in an old cutting right in the centre - well used - even with electronic parking space signs

    Posted 10 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Sounds great.

    Of course Edinburgh does have quite wide streets and the country is not densely populated.

    And yet, somehow cycling infrastructure is way down the list of priorities. Personally, I blame the slavish adoption of a north American model of living in these isles. Without much thought about the differences between a relatively crowded island and the wide open spaces and long distances of America...

    Posted 10 years ago #
  3. cb
    Member

    "not densely populated"

    "relatively crowded island"

    Hmm, trying to catch you out, but I guess you could still argue that one.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    @cb, population density is all relative.

    Finland: not densely populated overall, but most people concentrated in the south around main cities. Hardly anyone up in the Arctic circle.

    Scotland: similar to Finland, fairly low population density overall but in central belt fairly concentrated. Not many folk in the far north.

    UK: gets more densely populated the further south you go until it ends up rather crowded in the south east.

    America: huge tracts of wilderness and sparsely populated areas. On the coast, big cities and urban conglomerations which are much more densely populated (Manhattan island being the extreme example).

    Still, in relative terms the British Isles are crowded compared to north America.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  5. amir
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    I am not excusing Edinburgh, but the streets are wider in Helsinki on the whole.

    It is strange that the politicians like to compare to Scotland to Norway, Denmark, Holland, Finland .... but their policies don't match that vision.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    Official stats:

    Scotland av. pop. density: 68 people/sq. km*

    UK: 263 people/sq. km*

    Finland:17.7 people/sq. km

    North America: 22.9 people/sq. km

    * "On average, in mid-2012, there were 68 people per square kilometre in Scotland, ranging from 9 people per square kilometre in Eilean Siar and Highland to 3,407 people per square kilometre in Glasgow City Council area. The average population density of the UK at mid-2012 was 263 people per square kilometre."

    Source

    Posted 10 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Some nice maps of Europe and North America to show the differences.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  8. cc
    Member

    Cycling and population density

    Posted 10 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    Hmm, they're a bit big! Anyway, Finland and Scotland visuals. Oh and the British Isles including Ireland.

    Posted 10 years ago #
  10. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    "It is strange that the politicians like to compare to Scotland to Norway, Denmark, Holland, Finland .... but their policies don't match that vision."

    I think the cultural difference can be seen in the response in this country to the feeding of a giraffe to the lions in Copenhagen zoo. I think we are more romantic and less logical. In politics I think that plays out as a wooly headed conservatism and suspicion of all things new.

    Posted 10 years ago #

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