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NEPN Path Access - Balbirnie Place

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  1. kaputnik
    Moderator

    The old garage site at Balbirnie Place / West Coates is being developed into some executive apartments.

    As a result they've been clearing a lot of the embankment of the NEPN just before you cross the bridge over W Coates.

    This morning the access down to Balbirnie Place was closed, although you can still get up/down further along.

    They appear to have dug into the side of the embankment, exposing the layers of its construction. I assume they're going to be shoring it up again. It would be an awful inconvenience if autumn rains were to waterlog it and cause it to slip across the building site.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. neddie
    Member

    Yes, saw that one access was closed the other day.

    What you say about digging into it doesn't sound good. Does anyone know if they will re-instate the it?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. Dougie
    Member

    Artists impression on sign board seems to suggest the apartments will be built into the embankment. I keep meaning to look up cec online planning to check.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. Dougie
    Member

    https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=MUCYM3EWLO000

    is the planning app which shows the embankment is owned by CEC and the development includes link to the ramp (which will remain)

    Not sure if the link will work, any suggestions welcome

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    So long as they drop the kerb... Looks like the garden level will be elevated at the back, with a direct cycle path from the houses! Also looks like a covered communal bike park for 8 bikes and some bike racks to front.

    "The embankment is completely overgrown with multi-stemmed self-seeded saplings, rank briar, bramble, and ivy, and has clearly received no attention for some forty years. Some five or six specimens could be rescued with clearing broken branches, thinning and crown lifting to form the basis of an attractive landscaped setting for the development."

    The building itself looks like a reasonably pleasant pastiche of what's nearby. Except who in their right mind wants a conservatory running the full length of the frontage onto the main road!?*

    * answering my own question here, it's to be a "commercial unit".

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. Dougie
    Member

    Piling going in this morning at foot of embankment. Not sure if temporary or permanent

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Just about to post the same, but beaten to it. Steel piling channels are being put into the embankment this morning and shored up with infill.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I swung by the works this morning to take some photos of the embankment. Purely historical interest, and I had a brief chat with the site supervisor who was also interested in the history. Apparently decades of ash discarded from locomotives had built up the embankment but that there was very little ground stability, hence the reinforcement work.

    I was less impressed when he asked me not to put any of my photos online, in case the media (et al) saw them and detected some or other breach of Health and Safety. Seemed a bit selfish. Did they have something to hide? Surely any good contractor ought to be proud of its H&S records?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. Beano
    Member

    slightly off topic...

    I HATE that left turn (from haymarket/W Coates to the NEPN; turning into Balbirnie Drive) as it is as close as you'll get to a 90 degree turn and I always feel vulnerable as I literally have to slow to a near stop before making the turn.

    I do signal in plenty of time but have to at some point stop signalling and put both hands back on the bike to make the turn. Even though its a bus lane I've had WVM revving behind me and i'm scared that one day i'm going to get hit by someone not paying attention.

    Other option is to pick a different route of course. any suggestions welcome although I have occasionally taken a right turn off W Coates and joined the NEPN west-bound a bit further up but turning right also isn't simple when the road is busy.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. panyagua
    Member

    You basically have four options if coming from Haymarket:

    1. Turn left into Haymarket Yards and take your chance with the trams and tramlines. This is generally slower due to twists and turns and pedestrians.
    2. Turn right into Wester Coates Road (before the pedestrian crossing) and join the NEPN opposite the end of W Coates Avenue.
    3. Turn right into W Coates Terrace.
    4. Your default choice of left into Balbirnie Drive.

    I normally try to go for option 2 if it looks reasonably clear in both directions - I move over early and keep my pace up until almost upon the right turn, at which point I can 'shelter' to some extent behind the pelican crossing before picking my moment to turn right.

    Failing that, I go for option 4 - which is currently less attractive while the more direct ramp to the NEPN is out of use.

    Occasionally I go for option 1 if feeling 'pootly'.

    It's one stretch of my commute where I'm glad I have a reasonable turn of speed and can make a fist of matching my speed to that of the motor traffic (which makes the right turn a less daunting prospect).

    I sometimes make the wrong choice.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Option 5 - go under the bridge, turn left at Tesco, left again into Russell Road, follow the road, onto the shared pavement and then go up the zigzag slalom!

    Yes it's a silly suggestion, but it's doable.

    If coming from Haymarket, I'd take option 2 as first choice followed by 3.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. Beano
    Member

    Thanks all, I think i'll give option 2 a wee try tonight and for the next few commutes and see how I get on...especially with the 'on' ramp to the NEPN being out of use too.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    especially with the 'on' ramp to the NEPN being out of use too.

    Only 1 leg of the "V" is closed off, if you go 10m further down you can get up the other on Balbirnie Place

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. Arellcat
    Moderator

    As Kaputnik mentioned top-thread, many layers to be seen within the railway embankment.


    The tip

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    Presume they know what they are doing(?)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. cb
    Member

  17. chdot
    Admin

    "
    “By adding lighting and re-grading the cycle path leading up the embankment, we are improving the public space as we have been requested to.”

    "

    That's good.

    Not convinced there will ever be a tramline here.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    To my untrained eye, the works going on appear to follow exactly the plans and drawings submitted in the planning application. It's not like the developer has suddenly done a fast one and built something that they didn't lodge an application for.

    I note that the council's "acting head of transport" made only 1 comment about trams in his submission asking that the development be declined (for not providing parking provision.) That was to ask for a contribution towards the tram funding!

    If you read the official report from the Planning Department put to the sub-committee for approval, you get the following paragraphs;

    The western part of the application site falls within the Tram Limits of Deviation (LOD) as defined under the Edinburgh Tram Acts 2006. These will remain enacted until 2016. Prior Approval for this section of the tram route was granted in 2008 under reference 08/01149/PA. The route remains protected in the Local Plan through Policy Tra 7 Public Transport
    Infrastructure

    Tram and Bus which advises that planning permission would not be granted for development which would prejudice the construction of the infrastructure
    necessary for a tram network. The proposal conflicts with the works approved under 08/01149/PA and is therefore contrary to policy Tra 7 (Public Transport).

    Notwithstanding this, this section of the tram
    network will not now be taken forward and therefore the proposals will not have an adverse impact on the proposed tram network.

    Whilst the proposals will not have an adverse impact on the proposed tram network, they will have a detrimental impact on road safety.

    So there you have it, in black and white. The council knew that the development encroached on, and may prejudice the future tram route development. They specifically state this. They also specifically state that this part of the tram won't be getting built, and that therefore the proposals "will not have an adverse impact on the proposed tram network". They say the latter thing twice in as many sentences!

    If anyone has screwed up here, I don't think it's the developer.

    I guess that this sort of hi-tech investigative journalism that I have just undertaken (opening publicly accessible documents and scan reading them) is clearly beyond the Chipwrapper and its highly trained professional journalists.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    I seriously hope they never put Trams down along the NEPN. That would be an absolute disaster for cycling.

    If they need Trams to follow that route, they can use the roads (and close them to cars if necessary).

    I for one will be there, chained to a tree in front of the bulldozers...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  20. "I guess that this sort of hi-tech investigative journalism that I have just undertaken (opening publicly accessible documents and scan reading them) is clearly beyond the Chipwrapper and its highly trained professional journalists."

    The Chipwrapper doesn't have any journalists. It simply reprints press releases, ads for businesses disguised as news and repackaged posts & pics from Twitter as its own work ;-)

    (A friend was amazed to find her photos and words from Twitter used for a tramline 'cracks' story supposedly written by 'an EN reporter')

    Posted 9 years ago #
  21. cb
    Member

  22. kaputnik
    Moderator

    There will be quite a lot of steel plate, rebar and concrete to remove if they decide (retrospectively) that they can't build the development here.

    DEVELOPERS were given the go-ahead for building work next to a potential future tram line after planners told them the extension would “not now be built”.

    You read it here first people! Chipwrapper only 2 weeks behind the curve. What a scoop!

    Posted 9 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    "

    The council said the developer has been asked to down tools as “proper consent was not obtained” prior to work beginning.

    "

    In other circumstances I'd be inclined to believe the council...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    "There will be quite a lot of steel plate, rebar and concrete to remove"

    Not so sure.

    Article implies that 'problem' is to do with taking part of embankment away so that it's not so steep for walk/cycle from BP.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  25. SRD
    Moderator

    went past today. fair number of folk around. or at least on the bike path, but looking like they are connected to site...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    EN commenter (with a track record of knowing about the tram...)

    "

    10/11/2014 1:04 PM GST
    SARAH B

    I understand that there are still councillors who are determined to extend the tram line - again, despite their own internal professional advice that this is not a good idea. Councillor Hinds is, I have no doubt whatsoever, leading the charge, being one of the most vocal supporters of the tram and the Granton Spur in particular, proving that she has learned not one iota from the catalogue of mistakes made on the tram project.

    I seem to remember that this part of Tram Line 1 was shelved in 2009 - the stated reason being that its funding was required to complete the Airport to Newhaven section. In fact, what was not reported is that the price had gone from £87 million in 2006/07 to £125 million in 2009. That, of course, would be far higher now. Meanwhile, the demand from proposed stops on the Roseburn Corridor was virtually zero and demand from Granton not much better - neither of which have improved since the extension was shelved.

    Still, our Lesley wants trams to Granton so we'd better watch out lest she signs us up for yet more borrowing.

    "

    Posted 9 years ago #
  27. The Boy
    Member

    Well that's me convinced.

    Posted 9 years ago #

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