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AKA the plan to pave the green belt and build houses.
Most of the planning areas include cycle paths but with an apparant absense of joined up thinking, most notably at an implied A8/Maybury crossing, and similarly in Queensferry.
Objections need to be in by Friday; is anyone else going to lodge any feedback? Surprised it's not been mentioned on the forum.
Duncan
I did a BSc in town and regional planning back in the 1990s. I have written objections before for various things to help pass the long winter evenings.
Plan to pave the green belt will need to have a look at it. Pave with cycle lanes may be.
In principle don’t see any issues with building in the green belt in as think greenbelts have created sprawl leap frog developments which created longer journeys.
However from a personal point I think its better that land is not developed as housing estates just get in the way of walking. I used to do a lot of hill walking and walking camping etc. For recreational purposes, prefer land to be owned by lords or farmers that owned it for generations etc. As they understand what rights they own and are more stewards of the land.
When get bunch of yuppies buy up the land, they tend to think they have exclusive access even when they don’t own this right depends on "natural perimeter" of different uses, found this previously when walking through a caravan park they said I was not allowed to walk, the council person agreed with me that would be presumed access for recreational use yet still the time taken to go to the council and speak to access person who agreed with me.
An Aldi in the greenbelt would be nice and may be some cycle lanes.
For many people, finding that the Edinburgh 'green belt' is a very flexible and shrinking area was quite a surprise.
On close inspection the apparant difficulty with the active travel plans are the weasel words, "opportunity to provide..." very often in attractive sounding plans rather than firm commitments leaves the "opportunity to" drop those aspects later.
For example from the plan, the 'Primary Pedestrian/Cycle Route' somehow crosses the A8 at Maybury. Would be nice, but expensive and how?
From the Edinburgh LDP, this connection across the A90 is essential to the Builyeon development not being hemmed in by busy and unpleasant roads, driving further car use, but the plan to provide it is hedged with weasel words.
"opportunity to provide pedestrian/cycle bridge linking site to Ferrymuir and further east"
This is not the clear commitment or statement made in other parts of the plan, just an 'opportunity'.
Looking at the plan last night and the areas identified for development in what is currently the greenbelt it does seems some poor choices.
The areas identified in practice are properly those areas that have been pushed by interests, rather than an objective lets look at the map and see where is best. As if took a bird eye there is better areas in terms of road infrastructure and proximity to the city centre and hubs.
Of course councils choosing areas that are being pushed has advantages but not overly scientific. Tend to think the analysis tools use quite limited if can even describe them as such. When I did my degree in planning years ago, there was never any use of quantitative analysis tools as such. More just these are the factors with no real system of weighting, an ad hoc mess of competing interests to an extent
'Polo Fields' approved -
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A controversial plan which sets out a blueprint for development acropss the capital has been approved despite widespread criticism and thousands of objections.
Councillors today passed the Local Development Plan (LDP), which sets out where thousands of urgently needed new homes can be created across the city. The plan will now go before the Scottish Government for approval.
There had been calls to amend the proposal, with development sites at Cammo, Brunstane and Newmills removed and proposals for a sprawling ‘Garden District’ development on land between the A8 and M8 at Gogar included.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/controversial-local-development-plan-approved-1-3773102
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Referring to the assessment of contentious areas by council planners, Cllr Howat said: “If the reporter looks at it, they’ll see that a lot of the points in there about accessibility, transport infrastructure, is indeed mince in the report.”
And economic development leader Frank Ross blasted the plan as a “fantasy”, criticising Scottish Government housebuilding targets before voting against his party’s own policy.
“We as councillors should not allow this process to override our responsibility to those citizens who elected us to represent them.”
Campaigners warned that the city will spread outwards, paving over the gaps between Edinburgh and Musselburgh, Currie and Balerno, creating a continuous urban sprawl from west to east.
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http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/council-chief-says-local-development-plan-mince-1-3773102
They've changed the first photo!
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/council-chief-says-local-development-plan-mince-1-3773102
I think all this reporting is highly misleading. The plan is nowhere near adoption by the Council. The version "approved" by the Council will now be subject to a detailed examination by an independent Reporter.
The Reporter will consider all outstanding objections to the plan, draft a report with recommendations and then pass the report to the Council. The Council has to implement these recommendations, in all but the most exceptional circumstances.
More details: http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Built-Environment/planning/Appeals/whatwedo/devplanexaminations
"I think all this reporting is highly misleading"
Quite probably, but are the councillors 'confused' about the process as well?
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Only Edinburgh’s planning committee could decide to permit new housing on sites nobody wants built on but not to allow new homes to be built on land where people do want them.
This was the bizarre result last Thursday of the year-long ponderings about the city’s Local Development Plan to build 33,000 houses over the next ten years.
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SECOND PROPOSED EDINBURGH LOCAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN
THE TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING (DEVELOPMENT PLANNING) (SCOTLAND) REGULATIONS 2008
Note: A version of this email was sent yesterday without the link to the new Development Plan Scheme attached. We apologise for any inconvenience.
The above plan has now been submitted to Scottish Ministers on 29 May 2015 for examination. We are writing to you because you have previously made representations to the City of Edinburgh Council regarding this plan and the Scottish Ministers have been made aware that your representation has not been resolved. The local development plan is a document that sets out which types of development should take place where, and which areas should be protected from development. It also contains policies that inform the Council’s decisions on planning applications.
You may have made comments in objection to a policy or proposal of the local development plan which was published for representations in 2014
The reporter will now commence the examination of conformity with the Council’s participation statement as required by Section 19(4) of the Act. I can also confirm that to comply with Section 19(7) of the Act, the examination of the above plan under Section 19(3) of the Act will not commence until the examination of conformity with the participation statement under 19(4) has concluded, or until four weeks from 02 June 2015 which is the date of the appointment of the reporter, whichever is the latter. Therefore, the earliest date upon which the examination of issues raised in representations will commence is 30 June 2015.
A notice is being published in the local press, the Edinburgh Evening News.
If you would like to see the plan which is being examined a copy is available for public viewing in the Council’s offices at Waverley Court, 4 East Market Street, and in every public library serving the plan area and also on the Council’s website:
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/localdevelopmentplan
Information about the examination and summary of the issues (known as Schedule 4 Forms) being addressed by thereporters can be found at the DPEA website:
http://www.dpea.scotland.gov.uk/CaseDetails.aspx?id=115816
The Scottish Ministers have appointed Allison Coard MA MPhil MRTPI to carry out the examination of the above plan. The Council has provided her with a summary of the issues that the council considers should be assessed at the examination and a copy of your representation.
Please note that additional reporters may be appointed to support the speedy delivery of the report.
You do not need to take any action in response to this letter. The reporter is not expected to require further information from you, but if she does the DPEA will write to you, specifying what is needed and how you should submit it.
Please note that DPEA will publish the Schedule 4 Forms, Further Information Requests and Responses, Document Lists, any Hearing Statements, Recommendations by Issue Table and the Report.
A guidance note that explains development plan examinations for people who have submitted representations is available at the weblink below:
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0039/00396852.pdf
If you require further information about the progress of the examination please contact Jayne Hollas, Directorate for Planning and Environmental Appeals, 4 The Courtyard, Callendar Business Park, Falkirk, FK1 1XR, or telephone 01324 696454, or DP_Examinations@scotland.gsi.gov.uk
Finally, please find the Councils new Development Plan Scheme (May 2015) available at the weblink below:
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/5722/local_development_plan_scheme_may_2015
This sets out general information on the project. If you have any queries please contact me atlocaldevelopmentplan@edinburgh.gov.uk or 0131 529 4692.
Yours faithfully
Marius Hince
Support Officer – Local Planning Policy
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