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Sara Griffin (@cyclemor3)
12/10/2014 16:26
Underground Bicycle Parking Systems in Japan:
@patrickharvie @CTC_Scot @CyclingEdin pretty please in Edinburgh?
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Underground Bicycle Parking Systems in Japan
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Posted 9 years ago #
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We had this link before too? (See the You are traffic pictures). The Japanese underground carpark is a solution to a problem that is also solved by some Sheffield stands? Presumably the greens just joking about wanting such an over engineered solution?
I am of course still happier to look at these links than watch downtown abbey
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"We had this link before too?"
Perhaps, can't remember. 5 years of posts.
(Or even yesterday's.)
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Posted 9 years ago #
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"Presumably the greens just joking about wanting such an over engineered solution?"
That depends.
Edinburgh doesn't quite have the land use pressures that Tokyo does, but both Haymarket and Waverley currently have bike parking capacity issues.
They both have lots of 'space' - car park areas that are below normal ground level so something like this could be done without digging a hole.
This is the city that keeps revising the plan to dig big holes in George Street to store cars. OK not hitech/auto (the one in Morrison street doesn't work).
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Dave H (@BCCletts)
13/10/2014 01:26
@cyclemor3 @CyclingEdin @patrickharvie @CTC_Scot When you've 8500 bikes trying to park in 5600 spaces at commuter rail station it is viable"
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Some people would be happy to pay to keep their 'better' bike secure.
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Yes downtown is our family Nick name for the slowest show on telly.
There is also another thread about on street cycle huts that Kim is trialling. Therein some incredulity has been expressed that people would pay for this. Note the original cost was much cheaper than the bike huts have come in at.
Ramp down the slope to free Sheffield stands would be better than Monsters Inc Door solution that ended up being high cost and people complaining.
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"Ramp down the slope to free Sheffield stands would be better"
Access at Waverley is a different (but not unrelated!) issue.
It's all relative. I'm sure you are not advocating lower tech trains(?)
One point of the Japanese system is putting bikes in vertical space, in a way not possible with Sheffield racks.
Another is 'security' - greatly improved chance that your bike is still there and unmolested. Obviously that doesn't need the highest tech solution. I think some 'bike hubs' have 'supervised' parking/storage.
Free or pay-for? That's a perennial choice (especially in a digital age).
Use a free app and decide (or not) to pay for the 'enhanced' version.
Bike (and other) insurance - 'my bike is worth x. The probability is that will be stolen every y years. So is it worth z as an annual premium?'
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Falco offer this solution with their automated system neatly uses compressed air to grip bike in cradle and move it around to stowage bay.
I saw a 29 bike unit demonstrated in 1995 in Winterthur, and what was striking was the poor level of service with just 1 access to load & unload bikes at 45 seconds per cycle. If you had reckoned on rolling in, parking and catching a train, then as no 3 or 4 in the queue - forget it, you'll be waiting nearly 4 minutes to park your bike - and likewise to retrieve it.
Many bike hubs charge a daily or block rate.
We fail to use many solutions that the Dutch and others take on board - such as parking on the top of the canopies and retail units on the station platforms - with overhead electrification wires over the tracks just like us.
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