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Cultins Road (again)

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Lots of mentions of this over the years in connection with 'Broomhouse path', trams, 'canal link' etc.

    Recently erupted again here.

    This is the latest from CEC (more about lack of continuation of shared use 'option' than lack of proper signing/contra-flow cycle lane aspects).

    '

    we need to widen the footway on Cultins Road in to land that is owned by 4 different landowners and that contains various utilities including high voltage power cables.

    We have been trying to make contact with the landowners but some of them are proving more difficult to get a response from than others. We are continuing to pursue them

    '

    Posted 10 years ago #

  2. steveo
    Member

    Or they could narrow the road and remove the parking, only one landowner and they know where they work...

    Posted 10 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    Oh no

    NOT the "remove the parking" option.

    No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

    Posted 10 years ago #

  4. steveo
    Member

    I know, fantasising!!

    Thing is the bus lane, left turn is completely unused no bus uses that road. I don't know what purpose the parking has, there is a whacking great car park 50m away.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  5. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @chdot

    Ah, the "2,7 and 54 syllable with a tone of municipal exasperation" pattern of Japanese poetry. What's that called again?

    Posted 10 years ago #

  6. wingpig
    Member

    TIE-ku?

    Posted 10 years ago #

  7. chdot
    Admin

    "What's that called again?"

    Life?

    Or a play on no?

    Posted 10 years ago #

  8. chdot
    Admin

    "TIE-ku"

    Sounds rude.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  9. wingpig
    Member

    "Sounds rude."

    "Removing parking" sounds rude,

    if you perceive the removal of your inalienable right to drive wherever you like, whenever you like, however you like, stopping with impunity wherever whim dictates as a personal affront.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  10. wingpig
    Member

    Prefer haiku.

    Posted 10 years ago #

  11. CycleAlex
    Member

    Latest on Cultins Road - land issues still causing delays:

    Cultins Road path is a QuietRoute link NCN 754 and QuietRoute 8. This link connects the Union Canal and Edinburgh’s largest business district, Edinburgh Park. The
    design aspect of this scheme involves a series of design improvements, including shared use footways, crossings, footway widening, and integrating cycles with the
    Edinburgh Park Tram stop.

    However prior to further design we will appoint a land agent to carny out the necessary land agreements on our behalf. The Council's internal estates team have not had sufficient resources to undertake this work and this has caused significant delays to the scheme's progression.

    This scheme will help implement a network approach across multiple neighbourhoods and business districts. It is diverse in terms of addressing both deprived residential areas and large scale business and retail parks in one project.

    The designs will include:
    •Widening and re‐determination of the western footpath, to create a segregated footway along Cultins Road. This will link the Union Canal towpath to the shared use paths in the vicinity of Edinburgh Park Station Tram stop and railway station.
    •Design improvements to the minor road crossing point on the route.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  12. SRD
    Moderator

    We ride this regularly with our kids (decathlon, royal mail parcel collection, various sports and other things out that way). i can see how it neatens up the route, but honestly not high on my priority list.

    am i being unfair? i suppose i'm most often there on weekends / not rush hour, so my perception of risk may be biased.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  13. chdot
    Admin

    “
    The Council's internal estates team have not had sufficient resources to undertake this work and this has caused significant delays to the scheme's progression.
    “

    ThisIsEdinburgh

    Posted 4 years ago #

  14. jonty
    Member

    I think because it's industrial there is a very pronounced rush hour. Lots of cars, vans and lorries tearing around while folk are trying to walk and cycle through (and to) the estate.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

    “am i being unfair?”

    Probably.

    That whole area is a mess of lost opportunities - EP Station, tram, shopping ‘mall’, mass employment at EP and a traffic free route to Tollcross and West Lothian.

    PLUS existing ped/cycle confusion/conflict due to unclear ‘shared use’ pavement.

    Also real dangers from traffic as mentioned in last post.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  16. gembo
    Member

    Cycling up late of an evening looking to make the right turn onto the towpath you are required to be very wary of the mad Royal Mail lorries travelling at speed on the wrong side of the road due to the parked cars on their side.

    Going through the industrial estate is eeerie. Traffic free with occasional risk at junctions.

    Certainly a rat run at commuter times with same parked cars getting in the way and travelling down there is a right turn that the cars take. After that you have much less traffic.

    It is a mess for sure.

    Also scene of my apprehension by the polis. For cycling up the wrong way. In the van for knife edge between just getting a row and getting a ticket. Aided by the many other cyclists whizzing by. They let me go and told me to tell my friends.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

    “apprehension”

    You probably mean apprehendsion (but I’m not sure that’s a ‘word’)!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  18. SRD
    Moderator

    if coming from decathlon/tesco etc we usually cycle up the footpath - probably worse. it's shared use further down, but not at the bit where it turns onto the canal path. although we often go home by the tram path too.

    i agree, it's a mess. and a classic edinburgh style missing link.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  19. Rosie
    Member

    I always cycle up the pavement. There should be a better link from the tram path to the canal. It's an agreeable ride from Roseburn/Balgreen to West Lothian.

    Like SRD this is outwith peak times, so I have the impression of a quietish road and nary a soul on the pavement.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  20. gembo
    Member

    Take care on the pavement when you have to cross the sorting office gates. Royal Mail vans driven at speed.

    Further in to the industrial estate you will find Ellie’s Snackbar. Perched on the hillside with bricks at the north end making it level and painted a fetching blue. As i have only ever passed it at night I have no idea of the fare on offer.

    I think I mean apprehension. Not my most elegant prose but my trusty Collins dictionary from 1977 (a joint birthday present from my aunt and my gran) gives Apprehension as the act of taking or seizing; the faculty of understanding; arrest; fear or dread. ‘Tis of course the Noun version of the verb Apprehend. So I do apprehend where you are coming from.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  21. Greenroofer
    Member

    I always cycle up the footway from the Hermiston Gait exit to the canal. I thought that was allowed because it's in the Core Path network. Is it?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  22. twinspark
    Member

    @Greenroofer - That's what I do too. That too being based on the fact that it's in the Core Path Network... I'm sure there was evidence on this site somewhere as to the fact. As others have alluded to it's Conflict Central based on the number of people just trying to move around outwith motorised means to get to the huge number of businesses in that area. The Council's lack of forethought in this area is truly shocking given their alleged aspirations.....

    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. Snowy
    Member

    Riding up the road is ok (ish) in daylight but in the dark and wet a slow-moving cyclist tends to experience a lot of drivers pulling out of the side streets without effectively looking. After several near misses I started using the footway; you obviously need to take care at the entrance-ways (Royal Mail, looking at you) but I can cope with the odd pedestrian glaring at me if it keeps me alive.
    Isn't there still an ancient shared-use sign at the bottom end?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  24. Snowy
    Member

    Just checked historical photos - the bottom 50 metres of the footway used to have a solid line with one side having a painted bike, and this continued round the corner. Most of this footway got replaced during the tram works and the cycle signage was removed. About 15 metres of the footway still has the (very) faded white line, though.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  25. chdot
    Admin

    Time to ask for some clear clarification of the realities of Core Paths.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  26. CycleAlex
    Member

    I usually cycle on the pavement unless it's busy (since it does get fairly narrow). Would be more open to cycling on the road if you could at least tell where it starts being two-way...

    The tram cycle safety plans will improve it a tad at the bottom (reducing radii/new raised table crossings).
    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/tram-route-cycle-safety-improvements/supporting_documents/Tram%20Cycle%20Safety%20Phase%203%20Consultation%20Drawing.pdf (last drawing)

    Posted 4 years ago #

  27. acsimpson
    Member

    @chdot, it's law rather than policy which makes cycling on core paths legal. I'm not sure where clarification could come from outside of a court.

    I'm not sure a bidirectional cyclepath is a good choice here due to the hill. It's quite possible to go down the road at over 30mph. Although the cars pulling out of side junctions are ignorant of that.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  28. chdot
    Admin

    “ it's law rather than policy which makes cycling on core paths legal. I'm not sure where clarification could come from outside of a court.”

    Yes, but.

    All sorts of places are marked as CP, including (for instance) Easter Road - which has been mentioned on here before.

    I may be wrong, but not sure if it’s clearly established that this makes cycling legal on the pavement.

    One particular/peculiar problem with Cultins Rd is that part of the pavement was (and presumably still is) shared use - now with faded markings.

    It’s possible that a longer stretch has been designated as shared use in preparation for a previously planned further pavement widening.

    (Or not.)

    Posted 4 years ago #

  29. fimm
    Member

    I don't cycle uphill on the Cutlins Road pavement precisely because that is where Gembo was stopped by the police. I go up Bankhead Drive and then turn right to get back on to Cutlins Road once it is two-way again.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  30. chrisfl
    Member

    I've also been stopped by the Police heading uphill pavement then crossed onto the road on Cutlins road.

    During commute time it can be a heady mix of speeding Royal Mail vans, coming out of the depot which doesn't have a an easy pavement crossing. Mixed up with cement mixers, car deliveries and HGV. MOst of which have just come off Motorways/Bypass and haven't yet switched to city driving.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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