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"Edinburgh councillors approve 20mph plans"
(423 posts)- Started 9 years ago by spytfyre
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Some sense from the EEN
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The point of reducing speed limits is to slow down traffic. Any other metric is a waste of time.
Other benefits may follow on from a reduction in average speed, but average speed needs to be the first measure.
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Agreed. But the other key point is that it can still be a success even if speeds don't drop below 20mph.
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Exactly. If average speed were to fall from say 35 to 31, then it would be a success.
If it fell to 23, it would be an even bigger success, but not falling that far isn't necessarily a failure.
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Earlier in this thread (here), there was a suggestion to overlay the 20mph speed zones with school locations and catchment areas.
Speed limits are now available as a layer in the council atlas (although are slightly out of date), so this is now easy to do.
Link to atlas: https://edinburghcouncil.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=9dfa229ba4004f7ca642ed3bd9702094 (Click the layers button near the top right, then "Atlas", "Transport", "Education").
Example:
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Ooh, I’m going to have some fun with this...
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https://twitter.com/Edinburgh_CC/status/1106137981184806912
Council and Police ran a "roadside education event" this morning on Inverleith Place.
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Neil Greig, policy and research director of motoring group IAM RoadSmart, said: “We are disappointed but not surprised to see such high numbers.
“They highlight the complete failure of the blanket 20mph speed limit approach to remind drivers a road that doesn’t look unsafe is still covered by a 20mph speed limit.
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Police do seem to have gone for ‘easy option’ rather than ‘most danger/nuisance’.
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I heard that PG Tips is writing to Neil Greig as he has evidence (from his own mind) that 20mph zones have led to drivers driving above 30mph in the Roseburn corridor.
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@chdot: "They highlight the complete failure of the blanket 20mph speed limit approach to remind drivers a road that doesn’t look unsafe is still covered by a 20mph speed limit."
I've read and re-read this statement a number of times and as far as I can see all it says is: drivers are unable to comply with speed limits. And this from an IAM spokesperson (most IAM members I've met have struck me as being rather self-satisfied and smug about their driving 'skills').
If by "blanket 20mph speed limit approach" he's referring to the use of 20mph zone signage which doesn't require repeater signs then, in the case of Edinburgh, he'd be mistaken: the council have been quite assiduous in putting up repeater signs throughout the 20mph limits even though they could legitimately have saved money by not doing so.
CORRECTION: On reading this (p78), it appears that zone signage must be accompanied by traffic calming features, and speed limit repeater signs now count (presumably as of 2008, the date of that manual). All of which makes it even harder to understand what point Mr Greig is trying to make.
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I like this comment which I think shows how out of touch motoring organisations are becoming.
“Police Scotland risk losing public support for 20mph by choosing to enforce on such roads.”Police Scotland have just gained my support for enforcing the law on our roads :)
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Police Scotland don't need "public support" for 20mph limits. Their only responsibility is to enforce them. Which they are doing. And, like you, they have my support for that.
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Presumably Police have chosen this because they know they’ll get quite a few lawbreakers in a short time.
The question now is ‘will they leave it at that and hope the publicity makes more people obey the law, or keep going in many more locations?’
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Did you mean to sticky this thread?
New phone?
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"Police do seem to have gone for ‘easy option’ rather than ‘most danger/nuisance’."
Given that a cyclist was hit by a car on this road just last week, I think the police are entirely justified in enforcement action here.
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Ok
Hadn’t heard about that.
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This particular IAM member would be extremely satisfied if the police would do a
bitlot more speed-limit enforcement...but I may be atypical.I know the police have to officially say they are surprised and disappointed at the high number of offences but in reality they will be neither. There are a hundred places around the city where they'd get the same result and unless the police travel to and from work with their eyes closed then they know exactly where these are.
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@chdot, in the EEN...
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/cyclist-hit-by-car-at-leith-roundabout-1-4900877
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This is a new take on "but Edinburgh is different" argument...
"The diverse communities of Edinburgh are all unique in character, meaning that what’s right for Almond perhaps doesn’t always work in Newington, for example."
Posted 5 years ago # -
We must never forget just how good Cllr Nick Cook's judgement is.
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Almond to Ztockbridge Shurley?
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Cook is just flat-out lying. He’s utterly shameless on this.
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So - 20mph speed limits are supported by more Edinburgh residents than any political party. Also, the great thing about 20mph speed limits is that you don't even have to think they are a good idea for you to benefit from them. The laws of physics are the same in the New Town as in Corstorphine (apart from the anomaly that turns some unfortunate chaps' trousers red as they head north over George Street).
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For what it's worth I wish to reclaim coloured corduroy trousers. I had a sky blue pair and a copper pair when I was wee. Standard winter breeks in Aberdeen. My grandfather cried them 'cordies'.
May yet seek out a chartreuse pair and recover this garment from the clutches of the Cumberland Mafia.
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@IWRATS, I have black, navy and mustard cords. Have never considered red, probably not brown, but might go for some shade of green or sandy beige.
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Also close to 100 per cent chance of red corduroy trousers getting an airing be in Kay's Bar.
Bit like but In fact the opposite of the very tightly delinienated zones for salt and sauce, UFO and east of Scotland lottery wins. North of princes street for one mile is red cord land, a bit further north we are back to stonewash,
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"I have black, navy and mustard cords"
That sounds like an impressive pair of trews - can we get a photo?
Posted 5 years ago # -
Just been dealing with Brown snails, green snails, yellow snails, black snails, one white snail and one that was Pinkish on top of a brick.
Flung them all down the bottom of the garden. Given their palette of colours was similar to the corduroys mentioned above I did not have the heart to smash them. Also this year not caught any snails or slugs actually eating my lettuce, onions, rhubarb or purple sprouting broccoli yet. Though there have been several in the vicinity. I switch to murdering mode when they start eating my veg./fruit
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I don't want to jinx anything but rhubarb is indestructible?
Incidentally cooked the last batch in pomegranate molasses and cardamom syrup. What a bohemian, huh?
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