Certainly needs inviting to PoP.
Will be inviting him to join us from Liberton/Gilmerton - but someone from Meadows/Morningside should also invite him along.
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"Edinburgh councillors approve 20mph plans"
(423 posts)- Started 9 years ago by spytfyre
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"Whether he wants to remain with 'transport' or has higher aspirations remains to be seen."
Edinburgh's youngest Seagull Czar?
In similar vein, the C&U candidate for Portobello/Craigmillar aspires to be the new Dog Czar. In the Edinburgh Reporter.
Seagulls, dogs: exactly the bread and butter issues voters want to hear about.
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EEN Comments Section. You'll never find a more wretched hive of hypocrisy and illogical thinking.
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I have been moved into Morningside ward, so will see what I can do.is there going to be a morningside feeder?
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"YESses" on the EEN poll now at 59%
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Edinburgh's youngest Seagull Czar?
Nothing a little music can't help.
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Meanwhile, our online poll has attracted 7000 votes since Tuesday, and currently has 59 per cent backing for the scheme.
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Currently 9149 66/34. Can't just be down to 'cyclists activated by FB/Twitter'.
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"Also, surely this will make cyclists unsafer as a good cyclist probably goes at this speed, so instead of a car over taking them, they will be side by side."
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And now it's a "massive surge in support"
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The BTL frothers are kicking off about this massive council conspiracy to gerrymander this crucial poll.
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"And now it's a "massive surge in support""
Yeah nothing like a manufactured story to get the backlash going eh?
Could it be that, contrary to the expectations of the local rag's "journalists", there is in fact widespread support for 20mph limits? Could it be that this support has existed for some time?
You'd never know whether that's the case from reading the EEN as they assume the majority are against it. Perhaps they also assume the majority vote Conservative & Unionist too?
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20mph: Police will carry out spot checks in new Edinburgh zones
POlice today warned they will be carrying out “proactive” checks in the the Capital’s new wave of 20mph streets. At midnight a vast swathe of Edinburgh will take on a new 20mph speed limit, marking the arrival of the city-wide scheme’s second phase. The enforcement of the lower limit has been relatively light since the first zones were created in the city centre and the rural west of the Capital, but police are warning that motorists should not expect a free ride.
Having been out on Easter Road and Leith Walk this morning, I have to say that some motorists, especially on Easter Road, seem completely oblivious to the speed limit...
Indeed I'd go as far as to suggest avoiding Easter Road for the time being: it would appear the more aggressive drivers are not prepared to put up with roadworks on Leith Walk and Dalmeny Street and are now using Easter Road instead...
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Neil Greig, head of policy for Scotland at the Institute of Advanced Motorists (IAM), said the potential shift in opinion could be down to drivers not having felt much of an impact since the rollout of phase one.
He said: “I think a lot of people in Edinburgh were concerned that it would cause a problem for them but it’s made little impact because people are going slowly anyway on most of these roads.
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But Nick Cook, the Tories’ transport spokesman on the council, remained unconvinced. He said: “The rollout should be halted and the scheme subject to a full review.”
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Perhaps someone should tell Nick Cook that transport appraisal guidance says you should wait between three and five years following the roll-out of a scheme before you carry out a full evaluation. You even have to wait at least one year for an initial evaluation - although they generally don't tell you that much as data isn't available to identify trends etc.
Unless, perish the thought, full review is really code of "bin the scheme".
Details: http://www.transport.gov.scot/report/j358676-16.htm#s164
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I may have been imagining it but it seemed as though traffic was moving slower on Polwarth Gardens this morning.
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I had cause to drive along Melville Dr last night at around 10pm and it was amazing to be in a long line of cars all travelling at exactly 20mph. We all joined the queue at the next traffic light at exactly the same time as we would have done anyway had the speed limit been higher.
Anecdotally, driving seems to be smoother.
Some streets are not well marked though, for example, Dundee St you can hardly see any 20mph repeater signs and there are no roundels.
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Anecdotally it seems some motorists are doing 20 even in 30 zones: witnessed this on London Road last night. A long line of cars presumably behind one or two who were doing only 20, and the others unable or unwilling to overtake.
Miraculous!
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Oh dear. The EEN stirring things up with allegations of "unusual voting patterns":
"It is clearly difficult to draw any firm conclusions other than recognise that there is both significant support and opposition to the move.
The most likely explanation is that there was some kind of co-ordinated attempt to drum up votes. The cycling group Spokes was encouraging people on social media to vote, perfectly legitimately of course, and this may have been one factor, with many cyclists being keen supporters..."
That's like the proverbial red rag to their regular commentariat. Whoever the anonymous author of this editorial is, with this conspiracy theory story they are beginning to sound like a certain recently elected head of state across the pond...
As if the EEN was not engaging in "some kind of co-ordinated attempt to drum up votes". They just didn't get the result they expected (or wanted).
Oh by the way, nearly 24,000 votes now and 61% Yes...
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had to drive yesterday for a funeral. drove at a steady ("cruise control") 20mph from entering the Park by Meadowbank to the lights by the commie pool. Numpty in white van a couple of vehicles back kept pulling out a wee bit, as if sizing up overtaking opportunities (of which there were none).
I think that it'll only take about 25% of drivers to comply willingly and the rest will be forced into in.
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"Numpty in white van a couple of vehicles back kept pulling out a wee bit"
What was he doing in the park? Commercial vehicles aren't allowed to use the park unless they have special permission.
Seems like the speed limit isn't the only rule he ignores.
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@ac & I have been trying to get some clarity from our Tory candidate.
No luck so far...
https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/836701616401235971
Anyone have better luck with theirs?
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The traffic definitely seemed to be moving slower than I'm used to between the canal and Balcarres Street earlier this evening, but as soon as there was a gap ahead of me most drivers still seemed to feel the need to overtake even when I was doing ~20 mph.
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24,000 votes is maybe higher than the readership of the EEN. WIN FOR EEN? We should write to EEN asking them to consider an editorial position that is pro cycling. Given the overwhelming support in their poll? Might even get them more readers? We could lend them a tandem to allow their entire journalist team to get out for a cycle?
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Front cover of the paper copy of the EEN this morning:
"THE SLOW AND THE FURIOUS"
"Drivers vent their fury at..."
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Taxi driver Keith McCall said it was “very noticeable” that motorists were driving more slowly as he transported customers yesterday morning.
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She said: “While understandably it’s taken a bit of time for everyone to get used to the new limits, public opinion is still clearly very much in favour..”
But Nick Cook, the Tories’ transport spokesman on the council, poured cold water on these claims, saying the move had not yet heralded “any immediate, significant change in driver behaviour”.
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Remarkable calm reigned around the Meadows last night. Folk not even overtaking cyclists at times. It's like they fear some consequence to their actions.
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From EN editorial
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A lot of these problems may melt away in the coming days as we get used to the new rules. Let’s hope so.
However much most people wanted this change or not, it is here and we will have to live with it for the immediate future at least.
What is crucial now is that the problems which are being reported are monitored and where necessary action is taken.
One of the most worrying complaints to surface on the first day is that the new speed limit has slowed down traffic on main roads with the result that speeding drivers have taken to rat-running along side streets.
That would defeat the whole purpose of the scheme.
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the new speed limit has slowed down traffic on main roads with the result that speeding drivers have taken to rat-running along side streets
As if they didn't already
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Saw a ranting motorist on facebook last night complaining about the new limit.
I took the opportunity to have some fun.
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