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"Edinburgh councillors approve 20mph plans"
(423 posts)- Started 9 years ago by spytfyre
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Posted 7 years ago #
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Guy was doing 20mph uphill on Minto Street in his motor car. I think that's a 30 zone but who knows? Anyway, it encouraged a white van and a black 4x4 behind him to legally enter the bus lane and perform close passes on me whilst undertaking him.
Swings and roundabouts, eh?
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Starting to notice an uptick in "driver frustration" today, Portobello Road/London Road. Porty Rd always a bit of a drag strip, witness recent pedestrian casualties. However behaviour of a number of single occupant types really childish and aggressive this afternoon. Is the sudden appearance of sunshine lightly poaching folks' brains?
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Walked close enough behind two trades 'lads' to the shop today to hear them telling each other how much chaos 20mph will be
Resisted the urge to jump in and point out average travel speeds in the city are way below 20 and almost entirely dictated by traffic light cycles and not how fast one drives between them.
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For balance, I ought to say that I did witness some exceedingly sensible drivers doing 20mph in a 30 zone on London Road. Hurrah!
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I was doing 20 on niddrie mains road this morning and when a clear opportunity presented itself the car behind me didn't try to overtake. May have been coincidence, but I don't think that's ever happened before...
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Just drove across town (in order to promote my obesity and others' lung disease) and I have to say the 20mph thing requires quite a bit of effort to follow and obey. Managed most of the time but not all. Folk behaving reasonably enough though.
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More frothing
Posted 7 years ago # -
The frothers are they a. Kiddie haters or b. Potential kiddie killers?
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Evidence from my Garmin this morning (not an officially-calibrated speedometer, I'll admit) is that the car following very closely behind me down Myreside Road this morning was doing closer to 30 mph than 20. I was taking primary llike I always do because of the appalling surface around the new entrance to the REH, but the new speed limit there means that I'm not inclined to pull over to let cars past if I know that I'm already going at least 20mph.
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@IWRATS drivers actually having to think about driving is presumably a good thing?
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Some excellent 'gaming' going on there in the comments, presumably some of it from folks on here
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@jdanielp
Yes and no. Road information should be obvious rather than requiring to be deduced, but yes anything that causes uncertainty decreases dangerous behaviour.
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Two workies in hi-viz orange jumpsuits were taking down some 30mph signs at the junction of Roseburn St/Russell Rd and Roseburn Tce this morning.
Looks like they haven't completely finished the 20mph installation/de-installation before the 28th deadline.
Posted 7 years ago # -
"Endless research" man has resurfaced with another petition. Wonder if he'll try to organise another mass protest after the success of his last one?
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Does this make ANY sense?
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“For example, on Leith Walk, if someone is going at 20mph they maybe cut along a side street to get to where they are going quicker.
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Do you really need to ask?
Lots of petrol heads are now concerned about pollution and people speeding in Edinburgh.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Maybe someone can explain this comment:
"@DAL676:
@gavincorbett @edinburghpaper there will be redundant people from business's due to lost time in vans we lost 9hrs per day per van"
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"Do you really need to ask?"
Not sure.
Apart from 'misquoted', 'taken out of context' I'm trying to work out what the person who is supposed to have said this (serial offender) might be trying to say!
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"we lost 9hrs per day per van"
Must have sacked all the drivers(?)
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Does this make ANY sense?
Not as I can work out.
Any detour from Leith Walk simply to avoid a camera increases the distance you travel by at least 50-60% and adds four junctions (two of them being right turns). Even if you went at 30 mph down the side streets, you'll lose time.
Gordon St to Duke St is 800m along Leith Walk, but 1300m if you go along Dickson St. Taking Dickson St also adds a dozen or so speed bumps, two right turns, two left turns and four or five other Give Ways.
Not a chance that you'd be slower going 20mph on Leith Walk.
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Last night, heading from Portobello through Leith, I caught up with the same cars at traffic lights in both the 30mph and 20mph sections.
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Leaving my house the last couple of mornings has been eerily quiet. This combined with slightly longer queues along Seafield Road suggests through traffic is using the arterial routes which remained at 30mph rather than cutting through residential areas.
This may change as things settle down and obviously the usual disclaimer about anecdotal evidence applies.
The implication that 20mph limits are causing rat running and speeding passed schools is frankly absurd.
Posted 7 years ago # -
Alternative Low IQ Lavvy Heid
1:11 PM on 03/03/2017
This is the sort of story you get when you combine a deluded muppet, clinging to the out dated idea that he should be allowed to drive at whatever speed he wants with no thought for anyone else's safety, and a failing rag desperate for click-bait to raise advertising revenue.
And what part of the town does this serial petition botherer live in, when he thinks nine out of ten streets have "either got a school or a park on it"?
Excellent
Posted 7 years ago # -
Other than observing generally lower speeds in some of the areas that are new to the 20 mph limit, it seems to be the case that more drivers are sticking to 20 mph in the city centre now as well. It really has felt nicer to cycle and walk around town as the week has progressed but there are still problematic areas, e.g. Earl Grey Street's 6 lanes.
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Maybe someone can explain this comment:
"@DAL676:
@gavincorbett @edinburghpaper there will be redundant people from business's due to lost time in vans we lost 9hrs per day per van"
Not in any way that's consistent with either science, or the way time works.
If you drive somewhere at 20mph, it'll take you 50% longer to get there than if you drive at 30mph.
So, to lose 9 hours a day, days would need to be at least 27 hours long.
And that's assuming constant use of the van (i.e. 27hrs a day), and a former constant speed of 30mph.
So... how do I say this?... utter nonsense.
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@gibbo, yes, utter tosh. In ideal conditions the speed is a third less but the time taken is 50% more except if you drive through town when going at 30 gets you to the next set of trafic lights more quickly than going at 20 but you wear out your brake pads more, use up more fuel etc
Posted 7 years ago # -
@gembo
Yes, the idea of a constant 30mph in 30mph zones in cities is, as you say, utter tosh.
Traffic lights, right turns, stuck behind stopped buses/bin lorries...
Posted 7 years ago # -
Yes, the idea of a constant 30mph in 30mph zones in cities is, as you say, utter tosh.
Traffic lights, right turns, stuck behind stopped buses/bin lorries...
Maybe not that far-fetched; have you seen the way WVM drive?
Posted 7 years ago # -
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Critics have said they fear the 20mph initiative could cause congestion and increase journey times – but bus chiefs have said it is unlikely they will need to adjust their timetables.
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