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151. Stickman
     Member

     Couldn't stop myself from reading the comments...

     Freddy Heineken
     I think more has to be made of the devastating impact of single issue group SPOKES. They seem to have much more influence over what happens in Edinburgh than their profile should allow.

     It's all very easy to berate the likes of Hinds, it's time to look more closely at the sinister figures who pull the strings behind the scenes.

     I noticed a poster at the Waverley which invited the public to join SPOKES at council hustings on Transport policy. What's that all about?

     I always feel disappointed that the sinister figures at Spokes haven't pulled enough strings to allow people to cycle safely through the city.

     Posted 7 years ago #

152. chdot
     Admin

     "

     They seem to have much more influence over what happens in Edinburgh than their profile should allow.

     "

     Just imagine what any other extremist group could achieve if they stuck at it for 40 years.

     Posted 7 years ago #

153. wingpig
     Member

     I don't want to seem naïve or gullible but I'm almost certain that some cars heading north on Leith Walk at Friday hometime were deliberately sticking nearer 20mph than 30mph.

     Posted 7 years ago #

154. Frenchy
     Member

     I always feel disappointed that the sinister figures at Spokes haven't pulled enough strings to allow people to cycle safely through the city.

     Be the change you want to see in the world!

     Posted 7 years ago #

155. edinburgh87
     Member

     Had occasion to drive along Melville Drive on Friday in my fairly typical family sized car, out of interest, cruise control set at 20 in fourth gear and averaged 60odd mpg, must be a lot of had drivers out there if they manage to cut their mpg in half by driving at 20..

     Posted 7 years ago #

156. Stickman
     Member

     http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/lesley-hinds-research-shows-speed-limits-safer-and-cleaner-1-4390630

     Some of the personal attacks on Lesley Hinds have been disgusting. No surprise that people don't want to become councillors.

     Posted 7 years ago #

157. neddie
     Member

     Just how much can the EEN milk this one...?

     Posted 7 years ago #

158. threefromleith
     Member

     The EEN will milk it until the paper dies. Got to keep their faithful comment frothers posting in order to keep their page hit numbers up!

     Posted 7 years ago #

159. HankChief
     Member

     Excellent piece in defense of 20mph by sometime CCEr

     https://www.blipfoto.com/entry/2287956927541415164

     Posted 7 years ago #

160. gembo
     Member

     @hankchief, maybe we can entice him back again. He loves his cars but also his bikes.

     Posted 7 years ago #

161. Colonies_Chris
     Member

     I've stepped into a couple of anti-20mph rants recently on FB, expecting to find myself in the middle of a hornets' nest, and found that quite a few people chimed in to support 20mph. It's worth making the case - the ones shouting loudly are not the majority.

     Posted 7 years ago #

162. I were right about that saddle
     Member

     The benefits claimed for 20mph zones are almost all empirically measureable;

     * Concentrations of various pollutants
     * KSI stats
     * ambient noise levels
     * journey times

     Let's just wait a year, look at the numbers and then continue or roll back.

     Posted 7 years ago #

163. Rosie
     Member

     I always feel disappointed that the sinister figures at Spokes haven't pulled enough strings to allow people to cycle safely through the city.

     I'm rather flattered that I'm regarded as one of the Illuminati or an acolyte of George Soros.

     Posted 7 years ago #

164. chdot
     Admin

     "the ones shouting loudly are not the majority"

     I firmly believe that - in Edinburgh. No idea about Manchester!

     Posted 7 years ago #

165. gembo
     Member

     @colonies-chris - same here. I went factual on some guy who is anti-20 who has named one of my pals in his facebook post. After i went factual my pal immeduately said This is nothing to do with me.

     Posted 7 years ago #

166. Stickman
     Member

     Ex-EEN editor/Conservtive candidate managed to squeeze in most of the points that WC debunked in his blog post (linked to by HankChief above):

     http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/john-mclellan-voters-are-being-driven-to-the-limit-1-4388891

     First of all, few people die on Edinburgh’s roads anyway

     watching the speedometer more than the road, revving the engine because the correct gear is hard to judge, misjudging the speed of other cars, not knowing what the limit is, driving along wide, non-residential roads at night slower than a dead monarch on a gun carriage.

     Posted 7 years ago #

167. chdot
     Admin

     http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/our-region/edinburgh/life-in-the-slow-lane-readers-react-to-edinburgh-s-20mph-zones-1-4396964

     Posted 7 years ago #

168. Stickman
     Member

     Edinburgh Peoples' Survey 2016:

     http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/9099/eps_2016_full_report

     60% support 20mph, 20% oppose,14% indifferent, 7% don't know.

     Posted 7 years ago #

169. threefromleith
     Member

     But as I mentioned on Twitter, this survey was secretly only released to SPOKES members by LH to ensure that things went the way the anti-car council and their shady cycle-lobbying group wanted :-)

     Posted 7 years ago #

170. steveo
     Member

     this survey was secretly released

     @three has any one raised this with the EEN this is serious news that should be covered extensively by a quality local paper...

     Posted 7 years ago #

171. PS
     Member

     driving along wide, non-residential roads at night slower than a dead monarch on a gun carriage.

     This last one seems to be the main complaint of folk I've spoken to (who presumably do 100mph+ on deserted motorways in the middle of the night). Most of whom claim that they've not seen any cars sticking to 20, which I've been able to instantly dispute: Raeburn Place in Stockbridge has seen a positive flowering of 20mph driving - every time I've cycled through there I've been held up by a car observing the limit.

     Posted 7 years ago #

172. chdot
     Admin

     #FakeTwitterNews

     Posted 7 years ago #

173. rust
     Member

     I didn't realise Duddingston low road was going to be 20mph! And folk were sticking to it! Made me very happy - albeit I was driving at the time so not as happy as if I'd been on my bike.

     Posted 7 years ago #

174. crowriver
     Member

     Anti-car clowncil , surely?

     Posted 7 years ago #

175. chdot
     Admin

     http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/six-out-of-10-capital-residents-back-20mph-scheme-1-4401204

     Fakenews obviously.

     "

     But Tory transport spokesman Nick Cook said the wording of the question – To what extent do you support or oppose 20mph speed limits in Edinburgh? – was too general to genuinely test public opinion on the city’s scheme.

     He said: “The survey asks only a general question on residents’ opinion on 20mph speed limits. Perhaps unsurprisingly, it makes no direct reference to the council’s polarising blanket scheme.

     "

     Posted 7 years ago #

176. jdanielp
     Member

     @chdot the council hasn't sent me a polarising blanket? :(

     Posted 7 years ago #

177. Stickman
     Member

     Nick Cook doesn't like general questions. He doesn't like specific questions either, for example "please name streets that you believe should not be 20mph".

     Also, applying his criteria, if only 20% of the city are opposed then doesn't that count as "blanket" endorsement of 20mph?

     Posted 7 years ago #

178. chdot
     Admin

     "the council hasn't sent me a polarising blanket"

     Nick Cook will make sure you get one IF you re-elect him.

     Posted 7 years ago #

179. wishicouldgofaster
     Member

     Seems a straight forward question on the survey to me

     Posted 7 years ago #

180. acsimpson
     Member

     It's a very straightforward question. I think what Nick is saying is that they should have cooked the book by phrasing the question more specifically. eg. Do you support 20mph on roads ... which have no other vehicles on them..., at night..., when you are driving on them and running late?

     Posted 7 years ago #

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