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No fenced off route on road. No diversion. No road space taken from cars. People forced to walk on a busy road. Seems parking for a workies' caravan is more important.
Shows you how much Edinburgh cares about pedestrians
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Cllr. Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
10/03/2015 07:46
@CyclingEdin @edd1e_h @Edinburgh_CC *totally unacceptable* ... will chase up this morning to find out who is responsible and get rectified.
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Even by Edinburgh's poor standards that is remarkable.
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Edinburgh Council (@Edinburgh_CC)
10/03/2015 07:13
@edd1e_h @CyclingEdin This is being carried out by Scottish Water I have contacted them and advised of the issue. Thank you.
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BUT
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EdinburghTravelNews (@edintravel)
10/03/2015 08:28
@CyclingEdin @Edinburgh_CC @edd1e_h @AndrewDBurns It's maintenance work at the Cameo. The 'caravan' is an asbestos decontamination unit. ^J
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LS Edinburgh (@LivingStreetsEd)
10/03/2015 08:41
@south_team @CyclingEdin @LAHinds @SpokesLothian surely that *ought* to be pedestrians or activetravel@edinburgh.gov.uk? @AndrewDBurns
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LS Edinburgh (@LivingStreetsEd)
10/03/2015 08:43
@south_team @CyclingEdin @LAHinds @SpokesLothian @AndrewDBurns seems like a matter for your road team, anyway. Nothing to do with cycling.
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I tried craning my neck in the Tarvit Street ASZ this morning whilst waiting at the red light since I knew that The Cameo is having its frontage re-done, but I couldn't quite see the ridiculous pedestrian blockade.
Given there is a large red sign sign saying the footpath is closed (at least on one side), is this not more an issue of people not reading signs and therefore proceeding at their own risk? I think we'd normally be a bit scathing about cars ignoring Road Closed signs (e.g. Russell Road), so isn't this just the same thing for peds?
"Given there is a large red sign sign saying the footpath is closed (at least on one side), is this not more an issue of people not reading signs and therefore proceeding at their own risk?"
Not really - seems the signed route is 'cross at crossings'.
One is nearby, the other is at Earl Grey Street.
"Issue" is expecting people to do something unreasonable instead of taking away a bit of road - quite wide here.
Would be interesting to do one of those 'ped cam' videos to find out just how long it takes to:
Wow. Just went that way.. It's chronic for peds. There is one and a half lanes for cars. They should just close the extra lane and put in a ped walkway. There was a lot of peds in the middle of the road, and the pedestrian diversion is as ridiculous as Edd1e_h highlights above.
I might try the ped cam video tomorrow if I have time.
I'd hope this has been "fixed" by then.
Loads of people walking along road, few near misses with buses, and no pedestrian diversion signed that I could see.
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" I think we'd normally be a bit scathing about cars ignoring Road Closed signs (e.g. Russell Road), so isn't this just the same thing for peds?"
I can see exactly where you're coming from, but I think there are some major differences.
The main one is that a driver ignoring a road closed sign would be breaking the law, whereas pedestrians walking into the road is entirely legal.
Also, when a road is closed there usually isn't any other option but to route cars round the houses, whereas here the lane is down to one and a half anyway, which in reality means only one line of cars, so a tiny reshuffle would give space for a pseudo pavement.
Also when a road is closed a diversion is signed, whereas here there isn't one noted for pedestrians.
There appear to be lots of cones there. Maybe somebody could rearrange them a little to enable a pedestrian bypass?
"Maybe somebody could rearrange them a little to enable a pedestrian bypass?"
That's what there was when I cycled past it this morning - there wasn't much space, but enough for a person to walk along with at least the semblance of being coned-away from cars. Maybe the cones go bunted a few times and were moved closer to the compound by lunchtime.
Given there is a large red sign sign saying the footpath is closed (at least on one side), is this not more an issue of people not reading signs and therefore proceeding at their own risk?
I did smile a little at the thought that this side of the road was deliberately closed due to the asbestos risk. How very Edinburgh.
Still no change to the layout as of this morning. Still loads of pedestrians walking in the road.
Despite reassurances from Andrew Burns to 'get [it] rectified' urgently
Sadly I don't think Andrew Burns powers as council leader extend into making roads department officials or their contractors actually do a half (quarter? even an eight?) decent job.
You kinda wonder why, with the pavement shut, the caravan isn't on the pavement to begin with, with a coned-off route around it for pedestrians on the road. Oh, that's why, this is Edinburgh.
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Cllr. Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
11/03/2015 10:44
@JudithRosalind @edintravel @CyclingEdin @Edinburgh_CC @edd1e_h understand this is being actively pursued by @south_team ; Andrew.
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Is that "active consideration" in Yes Minister speak?
:-)
"'Considering' means we've lost the file. 'Actively considering' means we're looking for it."
I pottered by the Cameo (non-)footway yesterday, when I attempted to emerge from Lochrin Place. I saw several northbound pedestrians who were confused about where to walk, and several southbound who were walking on the road past the obstruction. Of course they're walking on the road, it's the closest place to the footway they wanted to use, and quicker (cf. desire lines) than negotiating a series of crossings that completely disadvantages the people who ought be helped the most.
Pedestrian video as requested
https://youtu.be/Z2gNa17tqXY
4 minutes 20 seconds to follow diversion route.
Watched many pedestrians walk right up to the hoardings before trying to work out where to go. Many totally oblivious to the signs etc.
There is a shorter version but it's vomit inducing
https://youtu.be/6IsBrL7UQd0
Success
EdinburghTravelNews @edintravel · 14m14 minutes ago
Home St - temporary pedestrian walkway just being installed at the Cameo for ongoing building work. Narrow lanes as a result #edintravel
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@south_team: @CyclingEdin @AndrewDBurns @JudithRosalind @edd1e_h Pedestrian walkway now installed and open, replacing previous diversion route
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Wotalottafuss about something that should have just happened...
Lessons learned??
(Apart from 'concerned citizens' using Twitter!?)
I can see why the council came up the closure as it would have required 2 traffic lanes to be closed out of the 4. There were reports of heavier than normal traffic on home Street this morning - not sure if this is normal. This would have delayed the councils number 2 priority - buses
Presume it's now 1 lane each direction rather than 2, reducing throughput by 50%. Traffic turning right in to Gilmore Place may block up the traffic tonight.
One thing that was noticeable - pedestrians do not pay attention to signs placed on the pavement saying the pavement is closed
@Fountainbridge One thing that was noticeable - pedestrians do not pay attention to signs placed on the pavement saying the pavement is closed
We do, since we don't attempt to walk into the closed section, instead we navigate round the closure in the most efficient way possible...
People are clever with that on-the-fly routing changes, unlike the current crop of robots!
Robert
I suspect most people ignore street signs while walking. I probably do. Despite being placed on the pavement they're normally targeted at road users. Pavement diversions are best done with fence and tape.
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