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"one-way street exemptions"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    Mentioned in new report to committee -

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=14504&replies=6#post-183032

    Also known as contra-flow cycle lanes.

    There aren't that many in Edinburgh, some worse than others...

    (The one in Lady Lawson St. has been 'coming' for 30 years!)

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    Hill Place.
    East Crosscauseway.
    Erm...

    As UtrechtCyclist says, Leamington Road would be handy. Canning/Rutland? Stafford? Rose, even?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Sciennes House Place

    And everyone's favourite, the fabulously-over-engineered-and-leads-you-on-a-road-to-nowhere one at Eyre Place / Rodney Street.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. UtrechtCyclist
    Member

    Does a one-way exemption have to involve a cycle lane. Or can they just write 'except cyclists' on the one way sign. This is what happens in Utrecht, don't know whether it's legal/ a good idea here.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Does a one-way exemption have to involve a cycle lane. Or can they just write 'except cyclists' on the one way sign. This is what happens in Utrecht, don't know whether it's legal/ a good idea here.

    Sciennes house Place is like that. A wee sign at either end telling you it's allowed. Unfortunately leads to conflict with motor vehicles who assume you're coming the wrong way against a one way and in my experience have on occassion taken passive aggressive driving position to try and impede your perfectly legal progress.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. wingpig
    Member

    West Newington Place.
    Queen Charlotte Street.
    There is a worrying suggestion that it would have to involve a daft wee island, which is the £50k blown right away.

    Hill/Young/Thistle Streets' traffic flows are all low enough to make them worth at least trying them with contraflow cycling. Circus Lane?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. slowcoach
    Member

    "Would it include admin/legal-wrangling fees, if TROs are required?"
    Under the proposed new sign regs, I think contraflow wouldn't need a TRO. see TSRGD 2015 What will it do for cycling? But the new regs are now expected to have to wait until after the election.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    Here is a complete list of one-way streets in Edinburgh:

    ABBEYHILL CRESCENT
    AIRPORT SERVICE ROAD
    ALVA STREET
    ATHOLL CRESCENT
    BAINFIELD PLACE
    BANGHOLM PLACE
    BANKHEAD TERRACE
    BARCLAY TERRACE
    BELLFIELD LANE
    BLACKFORD AVENUE
    BLACKFRIARS STREET
    BLAIR STREET
    BONNINGTON GROVE
    BOSWALL GREEN
    BRANDFIELD STREET
    BREAD STREET
    BRISTO PLACE
    BROAD WYND
    BROOMHALL AVENUE
    CAMBUSNETHAN STREET
    CAMERON HOUSE AVENUE
    CANAAN LANE
    CANDLEMAKER ROW
    CANNING STREET
    CANON STREET
    CARPET LANE
    CASSEL'S LANE
    CATHEDRAL LANE
    CATHEDRAL SERVICE ROAD
    CHARLOTTE LANE
    CHEYNE STREET
    CIRCUS LANE
    CLARK AVENUE
    CLUNY AVENUE
    CLYDE STREET
    COATES CRESCENT
    COCKBURN STREET
    CORSLET ROAD
    CRAIGENTINNY ROAD
    CRAIGLOCKHART CAMPUS EASTERN ACCESS ROAD
    CRAIGLOCKHART CAMPUS WESTERN ACCESS ROAD
    CULTINS ROAD
    DEAN BANK LANE
    DEAN STREET
    DEWAR PLACE
    DRUMMOND STREET
    DUNCAN STREET
    EAST CROSSCAUSEWAY
    EAST FOUNTAINBRIDGE
    ELDER STREET EAST
    EYRE CRESCENT
    EYRE PLACE
    FORBES ROAD
    FORREST ROAD
    FORTH STREET
    FOUNTAINBRIDGE
    GAYFIELD SQUARE
    GEORGE STREET
    GIBB'S ENTRY
    GILES STREET
    GLENGYLE TERRACE
    GLENVARLOCH CRESCENT
    GLOUCESTER LANE
    GRACEMOUNT ROAD
    GRASSMARKET
    GREENHILL GARDENS
    GROVE STREET
    HADDON'S COURT (HOWDEN STREET)
    HART STREET
    HAYMARKET
    HENDERSON STREET
    HERMISTON GAIT ROUNDABOUT ACCESS ROAD
    HERMISTON PARK AND RIDE ACCESS ROAD
    HIGH RIGGS
    HILL PLACE
    HILL STREET
    HOPE STREET LANE
    HOPETOUN CRESCENT
    HUNTER SQUARE
    INDIA PLACE
    INGLISTON PARK AND RIDE
    JANE STREET
    JOHNSTON TERRACE
    JUBILEE ROAD
    KILMAURS TERRACE
    KING'S STABLES ROAD
    KIRK LOAN
    KIRK STREET
    LADY LAWSON STREET
    LADYSMITH ROAD
    LANGTON ROAD
    LAURISTON STREET
    LEAMINGTON ROAD
    LEVEN TERRACE
    LITTLE ARTHUR STREET
    LITTLE FRANCE CRESCENT
    LITTLE KING STREET
    LOANING CRESCENT
    LOCHEND GARDENS
    LOCHEND ROAD SOUTH
    LONSDALE TERRACE
    MACKENZIE BRIDGE
    MANSE ROAD
    MARCHHALL PLACE
    MARITIME LANE
    MARITIME STREET
    MARYFIELD PLACE
    MARYFIELD PORTOBELLO
    MAURICE PLACE
    MCEWAN SQUARE
    MEADOWBANK AVENUE
    MERCHISTON AVENUE
    MEUSE LANE
    MIDDLEFIELD
    MILL LANE
    MITCHELL STREET
    MONMOUTH TERRACE
    MORNINGSIDE ROAD SERVICE ROAD
    MORRISON STREET
    MUIREND AVENUE
    MURIESTON LANE
    MURIESTON ROAD
    MURIESTON TERRACE
    NICOLSON SQUARE
    NIDDRY STREET
    NIGHTINGALE WAY
    NORTH ST. ANDREW LANE
    NORTH ST. ANDREW STREET
    NORTHFIELD GARDENS
    NORTHFIELD SQUARE
    PARKGROVE PLACE
    PARKGROVE TERRACE
    PICARDY PLACE
    PIERSHILL SQUARE EAST
    PIERSHILL SQUARE WEST
    PONTON STREET
    PORTERFIELD ROAD
    PRESTONFIELD CRESCENT
    PRINCES STREET STATION FRONT
    QUEENSFERRY STREET LANE
    RAEBURN STREET
    RAMSAY LANE
    RANDOLPH CRESCENT
    RESTALRIG CIRCUS
    RESTALRIG ROAD SOUTH
    RESTALRIG SQUARE
    RICHMOND LANE
    RODNEY STREET
    ROSE STREET
    ROSENEATH PLACE
    ROYSTON TERRACE
    RUTLAND SQUARE
    RUTLAND STREET
    SALISBURY ROAD
    SCIENNES HOUSE PLACE
    SCIENNES PLACE
    SEAPORT STREET
    SEMPLE STREET
    SHORE
    SHORE PLACE
    SILVERKNOWES AVENUE
    SOUTH SLOAN STREET
    SOUTH ST. ANDREW STREET
    SPIER'S PLACE
    ST. ANDREW SQUARE
    ST. ANTHONY LANE
    ST. ANTHONY PLACE
    ST. ANTHONY STREET
    ST. JAMES PLACE
    ST. PATRICK SQUARE
    ST. STEPHEN STREET
    STAFFORD STREET
    STEWART TERRACE
    SUMMERFIELD PLACE
    TARVIT STREET
    TEVIOT PLACE
    THISTLE STREET
    THORNTREE STREET
    THORNYBAUK
    TOLBOOTH WYND
    TORPHICHEN STREET
    TRON SQUARE
    UNION STREET
    VALLEYFIELD STREET
    VICTORIA STREET
    VIEWFIELD ROAD
    VIEWFORTH SQUARE
    WARRENDER PARK CRESCENT
    WARRISTON ROAD
    WATER STREET
    WEST BOW
    WEST CROSSCAUSEWAY
    WEST PORT
    WEST REGISTER STREET
    WEST REGISTER STREET LANE
    WEST SILVERMILLS LANE
    WEST TOLLCROSS
    WESTER HAILES BUS TERMINUS
    WHITSON GROVE
    WILLIAM STREET
    WISHAW TERRACE
    WRIGHT'S HOUSES
    YOUNG STREET

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. paddyirish
    Member

    Cammo Walk is one way for cars, two way for bikes SE of the car park

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. cb
    Member

    Caanan Lane. Possibly the longest contraflow?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    HOWEVER -

    One Edinburgh contra-flow was removed!

    "

    Main report

    2. A Traffic Regulation Order was made in September 2000 to restrict traffic to one way in Forbes Road. The road was narrow and heavily parked and was not considered capable of sustaining two way traffic without causing congestion. The original proposal had been for a more extensive one-way system, including BruntsfieldGardens,butthiswas reducedfollowinglocalconsultations.

    3. The Council’s Local Transport Strategy (Chapter 12C1) states:
    “There will be a presumption in favour of new traffic management schemes always incorporatingmeasuresfor cyclists, particularly:...exemptionsfrom road closures and new one-way streets.”

    4. In accordance with the above policy, cyclists were exempt from the one-way system. ARoadSafetyAuditoftheproposedsystemsuggestedthatatraffic island be provided at the southern end of the one way system to protect cyclists. The system is illustrated in Appendix I .

    5. A number of complaints about the operation of the system were received in the Department following its introduction and the matter was raised at the City Development Neighbourhood Group for Marchmont, Sciennes, Merchiston and North Morningside. The Group expressed the view that the contra-flow route was not safe for cyclists, due to it being narrow, with poor sight-lines for drivers on the curve and the fact that drivers did not expect to encounter cyclists coming in the opposite direction. It was reported that the Bruntsfield Primary PTA were advising parents not to allow children to use the route.

    "

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/meetings/id/28223/variation_to_one-way_system_-_forbes_road

    It could have made safer by removing a couple of parking spaces on the bend. But...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    "MARYFIELD PLACE"

    Definite candidate for an 'except cyclists' sign. Happens anyway, de facto this is the way the street is used. Handy safer route to cut up to London Road from Easter Road, without risking being crushed by left turning vehicles at the top of Easter Road. Can turn straight into a bus lane instead, far preferable.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. acsimpson
    Member

    @paddyirish, Unless I'm missing something I think Cammo walk might only be one way at the extreme southern end and two way for the rest of it's length. As far as I'm aware Farm vehicles coming out of the fields can always go north along it.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. KeepPedalling
    Member

    Duncan Street would be my first choice. It is currently a "missing link" in a nice quiet route from Holyrood Park through the Grange towards Morningside. I feel safer using that the "wrong way" than using the alternatives.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  15. Blueth
    Member

    You've not been interpreting the road signs and markings correctly paddyirish (and nor do the motorists who carelessly turn at the corner).

    Cammo Walk is two way for all traffic throughout its length. But only bikes may enter from the south end. You've never met the farmer going about his business have you?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  16. paddyirish
    Member

    @acsimpson Blueth

    I stand corrected. Have probably ridden that bit of road a few hundred times in both directions and have never met traffic heading NW beyond the car park. Prior to having read your posts I'd have probably had a cardiac incident if I did...

    Thinking about it have seen the odd vehicle parked in the flattish area at field entrances and seen tractors in the fields, but never thought about how they got there and got out...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  17. wingpig
    Member

    Chanced upon Marchhall Place yesterday evening. Wee traffic islet again.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  18. CycleAlex
    Member

    Out of interest, would a one-way exemption require a TRO? I remember hearing somewhere that they might start some of the contraflow cycle lanes included in the CCWEL early.

    Passing through Rutland Sqaure pretty often I wouldn't mind not having to dismount every time when I'm coming from Shandwick Place...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. Frenchy
    Member

    Yes, pretty sure that'd need a TRO. So I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they actually did that, as they're probably including it in the TROs for the rest of the project.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. CycleAlex
    Member

    How illegal would it be to buy some "Except cycles" signs, get some paint and create some contraflows?

    Asking for a friend.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    “How illegal would it be to buy some "Except cycles" signs, get some paint“

    Fine, as long as they weren’t off the back of a lorry...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

  23. chdot
    Admin

  24. gembo
    Member

    On the urban rural divide my mate in cambridge observed a distinction that in Scotland the money is more in the city and rural areas are less affluent (broadly) whereas in England the money is all in the villages and the cities are poor. Whereas in Cambridge the money is in th villages and the money is in the city.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo, not sure that rule applies to Perthshire, Aberdeenshire or East Lothian...

    @CycleAlex, such supplementary signs can be ordered online here for less than £30 each. "You WILL need the rear channels for fixing to a post".

    https://www.road-signs.uk.com/Road_Signs/Except_cycles/291.html

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. wee folding bike
    Member

    Logan Pl in Kensington is now two way for bikes.

    It’s the street Freddie Mercury stayed in.

    Saves me looping the block if I… happen to go past.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. Rosie
    Member

    BE THE CHANGE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE!

    I do that by cycling along Canning Street towards Shandwick Place including the 20 yards or so of one-way. In my mind's eye I can see the contraflow which any sane road policy would have to link the WAR to Shandwick Place. There's a secure car and cycle park under the buildings on Exchange Crescent, so this is reasonably busy.

    I understand that a contraflow is in some plans somewhere.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. CycleAlex
    Member

    @Rosie I was thinking of Shandwick Place - Rutland Square. I would cycle the wrong way but there's a tad too many taxis that come flying around the corner. Erm, I mean my friend was thinking of...

    At least CCWEL will be bring in a contraflow on Canning Street, Rutland Street, Coates crescent and quite a few others. Should be done by the end of the year if all goes well!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. urchaidh
    Member

    The supplementary signs things got me thinking, maybe we need a load of these dotted around:

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. CycleAlex
    Member

    CEC awarded funding for design work/TROs on an initial tranche of one-way exemptions. Hopefully start to see some appearing soon.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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