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A tale of suppressed demand

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  1. Klaxon
    Member

    I've written here before about not being particularly active on my bike. This improves every year, about now, as the weather gets nicer but as the glum sets in and my commute is in the dark the habit is usually broken by winter.

    I've been thinking recently why, and it's that while I'm confident enough to aggressively assert safe road position on the bike, it's just not fun. I live just off Leith Walk, and the thought of having to cycle 'in to town' is pretty bad. I'll consider some routes and the brief mental process of why they're still awful,

    Route 1: Leith Walk to Princes St, via Leith St.

    London Road roundabout. It'll be gone in a few years, maybe. It's big, scary, has unclear lane markings and often has queueing cars for Broughton St leading to last minute lane changes by motor vehicles

    Calton Rd 'ski jump'
    The city's most inappropriately high speed junction allowing motor vehicles to take off down towards the station without even having to touch the brakes on approach. I'm always afraid of being cut up the inside even while staying in the bus lane due to low speed going up the hill.

    Top of Leith St itself
    No safe route into the ASL. Stopping on the way up means sitting in choking queues of traffic and becoming a slow moving obstruction when the lights turn green. Cars weave around the buses that are themselves needing to weave out into their own lane.

    2. North Bridge to the Meadows
    Royal Mile
    No space to safely pass to front of traffic with frequent dubious parking for loading and hotel drop off.

    South Bridge
    A sprint to Chambers St where if you don't assert primary in the right hand lane from as far back as Blair St you're just going to sit breathing bus fumes.

    Forrest Triangle
    Plenty spoken here in the past, needless to say I support in full the proposals by SPOKES.

    3. Picardy Place to George St via York Place
    'The tram bit'
    In spite of having the opportunity to have a completely clean start, the tram route added nothing but a huge number of pinch points to York Place. There's actually a hatched area adjacent to the tram line approximately the width of a basic cycle facility. Makes me really sad.

    The 'how do you actually get into St Andrew Sq' bit
    Over a hastily narrowed pavement with shared space markings, that's how.

    St Andrew Sq
    There's patently enough space to properly link N St Andrew st and George St with a wide and properly seggregated route skirting the edge of the square. I still don't know what legs are 1 or 2 way traffic, it changes month to month.

    3. Princes St to Lothain Rd
    Princes St
    The post tram layout changed literally nothing but added tram lines. Result, pinch points, aggressive taxi drivers and narrow cycle 'safe areas' if needing to turn right or go into Shandwick Place.

    Lothain Rd
    Edinburgh's closest thing to an urban motorway, utterly inappropriate prioritisation of motor traffic and I shouldn't have to explain why it's not nice to cycle along any part of it.

    4. Easter Road to Holyrood
    Easter Road
    During rush hour I'll filter up the wrong side of the road up to London Rd, including past the traffic islands, if I think I have enough time to make it to the front. Still safer than any other option and I hate myself for it as it's risky to merge back in if the lights turn green.

    Abbeymount
    Standard hill conflict - every class of traffic puts the foot down and 50% of the time I just catch up when it's red at the top of the hill. No safe passing or waiting area on either approach. Again, I'll often filter up the wrong side on the Holyrood side, even more dangerous than Easter Rd. No wonder bikes are few and far between

    Calton Rd
    Incredibly poor condition cobbles. Uneven and bad pointing. Passable, but a giant turn off.

    Link to Holyrood Park and park itself
    Crowded with cars waiting to make punishment passes so they can blast up to the commie exit at 40mph. Pavement path is shared with runners.

    5. Link to NEPN
    Every time I cycle down Brunswick Rd to get to the NEPN I sigh that all that needs happen is the swapping of the 'parking' and the 'cycle' lanes along the entire length of the road.

    6. Cycle Parking
    I'd rather not chain up to a lamp post, too many bent wheels doing that. So just where am I supposed to?

    So there you have it. This is the mental process I battle every time I want to leave home on my bike. No wonder I end up getting the bus. I have a 'city bike' on order, that I hope will remove a lot of the faff that the current road bike causes (lights, dedicated shoes, muck etc) and make the potholes softer but won't change most of the above.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. PS
    Member

    A good summary of the ills of the city centre there, Klaxon.

    Just a couple of thoughts:
    The 'how do you actually get into St Andrew Sq' bit
    Over a hastily narrowed pavement with shared space markings, that's how.

    The shared use pavement is really dumb and not good for either folk on foot or on bike, but isn't the suggested cycling route from York Place to St Andrew Square just up the road on the left hand side? It's a quiet road with only the tram to your right and increasingly infrequent taxis heading to/from the rank there. The shared use bit is downhill only.

    St Andrew Sq
    There's patently enough space to properly link N St Andrew st and George St with a wide and properly seggregated route skirting the edge of the square. I still don't know what legs are 1 or 2 way traffic, it changes month to month.

    So much potential for a pleasant urban set piece here. So much space and so little traffic (even on the west side - four lanes of tarmac, often empty at rush hour), and the tram-based redesign on the east side has made that bit feel properly continental.

    The N, S and W sides are overdue a redesign, and I can see no reason at all why two way segregation on the north side shouldn't go in there. I can only hope Iain McPhail has some good plans for this as part of the Leith Walk to Roseburn segregated route.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. Dave
    Member

    I almost always cycle to work (Currie to the shore), and would say I'm an uber confident rush hour rider.

    However, I almost never cycle if I'm making any other type of journey, and never if I'm in company. I take the car instead so it's possible to have a civilised conversation, no threats of violence, go at your own pace, blah blah.

    I think if we boil it down, I cycle on my commute because other modes are much slower and it helps keep me fit - but I don't enjoy cycling in Edinburgh enough to do it in preference to driving at any other time. The experience is just too poor to bother with, which is pretty interesting when you think about how it must seem to "normal" people.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. wingpig
    Member

    If I'm going via George Street (which usually means I've gone the shortest route in with the intention of taking the least time) I'll almost always not bother with St Andrew Square and carry on along the road to North St David Street, where the road is wide enough and the light sequence reliable enough to be able to get to the ASL for the left turn, watching carefully out for all the ironwork if it's wet, after which (only whilst the ETRO is in effect) there is usually nothing but cycles in the right-hand southbound lane until the right-turn into George Street, though it'll quickly become unpleasant again when motor vehicles are allowed back in.

    Counter-intuitively, the best way I've found to make the London Road roundabout less of a blender is to not approach it from the north (as I would when taking the 'quiet road' approach along the cratered rattlefest of Montgomery Street) but to join London Road (via traffic-light-protected Marionville, rather than the sprint-requiring right-turn from Easter Road) from which getting to Picardy Place/Leith Street is easier, there being only one corner of the roundabout to deal with - right-turning traffic from the south is usually faster and less patient than uphill traffic from the north, which often means long waits when going from Elm Row to Picardy.

    If going up via the under-Crags path I used to minimise my London Road time by going straight to Abbey Lane, but the bit past the school is getting increasingly unpleasant as there's usually something trying to get past on the downhill, then trying to get past on the approach to the queue at the red light, then trying to get past all the way through the single-channel past the hoardings, then trying to get past on the wee bit before the bridge pillars, then trying to get past to block your view up the hill to the right.

    When I was trapped on the heavier/slower bike at the start of the year I tried various routes to try and minimise the amount of accelerating-uphill-over-craters-in-heavy-traffic but there's always a bit somewhere.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. neddie
    Member

    I'd love to be able to visit my brother in Leith, travelling from Marchmont, with all of my family (Mrs edd1e_h who is not confident on the road, plus kids 4 & 2 yrs).

    At the moment, we feel we cannot make this trip by bike, so drive instead.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    @ Klaxon

    Thanks for very detailed report - am forwarding to various people who 'need to know' plus I'll put on Twitter.

    I recognise every bit (and agree!)

    I've given on N St. A and just do N St. David.

    BUT agree with -

    "There's patently enough space to properly link N St Andrew st and George St"

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    As for "Calton Rd 'ski jump' "

    Abandoning all day bus lanes is NOT going to make things better!!!!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. wingpig
    Member

    "There's patently enough space to properly link N St Andrew st and George St"

    The joins with/routes through the squares at either end of George Street are on my list of things to mention/request proper consideration of at the George Street meeting-thing tomorrow. The bits dealing with George Street need to speak to the bits dealing with the St Andrew Square chunk of the east-west family-friendly corridor, who need to firmly grab the undecided southern end of the once-proposed Calton Road-side bit of the Leith Walk segregated path and hold it under the noses of the people dealing with the St James Quarter/Leith Street/any little access-options appearing around the sides of Royal Bank buildings or East Register Houses.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "access-options appearing around the sides of Royal Bank buildings"

    There is a VERY simple option- knock a hole through the wall between Elder Street and the car park of the RBS mansion.

    After all 'WE' (still) own it!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. twq
    Member

    Totally agree about Lothian Rd - infinite road space for cars, nothing dedicated for bikes and very narrow, crowded pavements for peds. Such a waste of space!

    Posted 8 years ago #

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