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"Public Bike Hire Scheme"

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  1. gkgk
    Member

    Interesting link, Stickman. Full of wee nuggets. Here's the bike scheme thing:

    3.34 It is proposed to allocate £0.15m for a partnership pilot project, between
    Transport for Edinburgh and Nextbike, for a 50 bike City Centre Cycle Hire
    Scheme. This will fund the set up and year one costs in 2017/18, based on a
    three year lease agreement, and will include docking stations, installation and
    software, other equipment, maintenance, personnel and parts. The project will
    be delivered by Transport for Edinburgh.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. piosad
    Member

    I would agree with Morningsider's assessment – I used nextbikes in Belfast and they were OK, but (central) Belfast is much flatter, and it could be a problem here.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. Frenchy
    Member

    50 bikes means they're only going to be covering the very centre, right? Meadows to Queen St, Haymarket to Holyrood...ish?

    They might just get away with the normal range of gears on these bikes in that area.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. Rosie
    Member

    The area around Haymarket & Waverley are fairly repellent for starting out on a cycle.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. Frenchy
    Member

    The area around Haymarket & Waverley are fairly repellent for starting out on a cycle.

    No arguments here, but I figured quite a few people might finish their journeys there.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. Min
    Member

    50 bikes means they're only going to be covering the very centre, right? Meadows to Queen St, Haymarket to Holyrood...ish?

    Since This Is Edinburgh and only tourists matter, there will probably be some outside Holyrood, some at Dunsapie Loch and some at the castle. That'll be it.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    What happened to the Haymarket station bikes? They still on the go?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  8. Frenchy
    Member

    What happened to the Haymarket station bikes? They still on the go?

    Aye. Don't think I've ever seen one outside the station (although I don't often find myself in the city centre during the day), but pretty sure they're still there.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    Used to see one way out beyond bypass being cycled on towpath but not for a while

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. Stickman
    Member

    @gembo - wonder if that was the guy I used to see regularly on the Balgreen path? Haven't seem him for a while.

    Once saw a different guy on a hire bike at the tram stop there. I must have been looking too curiously at the bike as the rider shouted "what the **** are you looking at?". Must remember that not everyone is that interested in bikes.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. Greenroofer
    Member

    @paddyirish was wont to hire the Abelio bikes occasionally, so may have been tempted to ride them westwards.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. paddyirish
    Member

    @greenroofer- just the once when the bridge was shut and I needed to get from town to work and back. Nice idea, but never again- it was too small for me...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Edinburgh is the latest council to announce plans to introduce an on-street cycle hire scheme. Glasgow launched its public hire scheme before the Commonwealth Games in 2014 and there are now plans to double its size - but a free scheme in Dumfries failed to take off. What is the key to the success of these schemes, and what can put the brakes on them?

    "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39291959

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. gembo
    Member

    Oh yeah, should have added to this thread instead of starting new one.

    Cambridge set to introduce Abandon hire bike where you like scheme (to emulate what already goes on there)

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. jules878
    Member

    A friend visiting Lyon is making use of their VeloV public bike hire and says it's the best deal in the whole town.

    1.5 Euro for a one day hire, or 5 Euro for the whole week!

    #bargain

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. Tulyar
    Member

    It may be that Scotland escapes the OBike debacle, but there are now at least 5 operators offering dockless bike hire in the UK

    Nextbike - operating in 20 countries and membership gives access to all public schemes at the local tariffs. Bikes can be placed overnight, and RBS has a small fleet on trial at Gogarburn - because of the electronic back office facility RBS staff get 2 hours free hire using a phone app to hire the RBS bikes, but standard tariffs elsewhere. Can be hired by phone call/SMS/RFID card/QR Code/Phone app and also through docking station and pillar In business 13 years

    Donkey Republic - mainly in Oxford area uses phone app (Danish system with links IIRC to the 1995 Citybikes.

    Mobike - Chinese origins but Taiwan buying in - UK MD used to manage London bikes - now in Manchester hired only via phone app

    OBike - Singapore copy of Mobike likewise phone app only

    Ofo - Chinese version claiming to be first dockless bike hire - Taking that literally the claim is totally false back in the 1960's Luud Schimmelpennick's Witfietsen fitted that description, and the modern 'dockless' systems were around in 2001 when DB bought out Call-a-Bike.

    Section 97 of the Roads Scotland Act protects us to some extent from the problems South of the Border as it already puts teeth into regulation of commercial use of main roads, including bike hire.

    Unlike the mess that was the earloy stages of London, and that still costs money to run the new models are already operating at no cost to the city in New York and Milton Keynes, where the bike branding - sold to sponsors, plus the user fees covers the operating costs.

    In Manchester the tariff model should deliver for a sustainable level of users per bike per day, and generally this should deliver.

    In Germany Call-a- Bike and Nextbike operate in the same towns and iun the UK Oxford has Hourbike, Donkey Republic and Brompton at or near the rail station.

    What will be needed are 1) model contracts for concession or licences to operate 2)interoperability - the ability to belong to a single scheme but hire anywhere in the UK or any town in Scotland regardless of the operator who supplied the bikes 3)integration - the ability to hire bikes with a ridacard or concession card and buy them as a transport utility (Mobility as a Service)

    The future is dockless but dockable, bikes that can operate across as many systems as possible

    Corporate buy in will deliver core support - SEPA already has employee access to bikes in Stirling (and presumably Glasgow) I'd really expect Transport Scotland to have the facility available to staff (it saves 10-15 minutes on a trip to Atlantic Quay from Glasgow Queen Street, and if a matching Edinburgh scheme it could deliver a 70 minute Victoria Quay-Atlantic Quay journey time) Glasgow University staff & students get free membership (it saves on the cost of providing some parking and an intensive shuttle bus service) Others give discounted membership. A quietly promoted scheme in Glasgow provides low cost (£3) membership for households with 'transport poverty' issues.

    Conferences too can be served by providing extra bikes for the duration.

    George Lowder is smartly keeping options open and giving Edinburgh the ability to have more than one public bike provider in a managed delivery across the city.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Cllr Scott Arthur (@ProfScottThinks)
    14/09/2017, 12:55
    @CllrNickCook @SpokesLothian @CyclingEdin @davidfkeySNP @lmacinnessnp Providers will be presenting examples of their bike hire systems next week.

    "

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    "

    In Glasgow, London-style rental bikes are a familiar sight and the pink People Make Glasgow fleet run by nextbike will be doubled in size on Monday with the addition of 500 bicycles and ten more sites from which to hire them.

    Nextbike also operates in Stirling and at the Royal Bank of Scotland in Edinburgh.

    Transport for Edinburgh is also planning to follow suit shortly, three years behind Glasgow, which launched its bike hire three years ago.

    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/alastair-dalton-boosting-cycling-s-popularity-must-keep-everyone-on-side-1-4560532

    Posted 7 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    "

    CllrLesleyMacinnes (@lmacinnessnp)
    16/09/2017, 1:25 am
    @ProfScottThinks @116McD @CllrNickCook @SpokesLothian @CyclingEdin @davidfkeySNP Transport for Ed are doing this. It is purely a scoping/info gathering exercise. Many considerations. Parameters still to be set.

    "

    https://twitter.com/lmacinnessnp/status/908849196660387840

    Posted 7 years ago #
  20. Frenchy
    Member

    That sounds like they're at least considering a bigger scheme than the 50 bike/10 station pilot announced last year.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. Tulyar
    Member

    My prediction/prompting? Its happening already http://content.tfl.gov.uk/dockless-bike-share-code-of-practice-september-2017.pdf - so let's just ask COSLA (through lobbying your local councillors and MSP's to deliver a Scottish version (which will need the appropriate Scots legal references)

    The launch of the enlarged Glasgow Scheme is on Monday at midday. I've the contact details for this should you want to nudge a politician or officer (or employer or sponsor) to get along. The new bikes are already appearing - with new rear branding panels - and the likely option that Glasgow will permit and promote the use of the rear panels for sponsored advertising media.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Dave H (@BCCletts)
    16/09/2017, 10:39
    @RangiRevo @lmacinnessnp @ProfScottThinks @116McD @CllrNickCook @SpokesLothian @CyclingEdin @davidfkeySNP @on_lothianbuses Public bike hire IS public transport about time @stagecoachgroup @FirstGroupplc @TheGoAheadGroup & @alextransdev got engaged with bike & bus

    "

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. Tulyar
    Member

    New Glasgow Bikes went live for hire this morning at 10.00. On the CEoGB ride this morning we spotted several in use, often in a large group. One group of around 10 French men volunteered that they had googled bike hire and found the bikes, others had seen adverts on buses and taxis.

    Glasgow seemed to be invaded by the French, many hiring bikes is there something happening this weekend? Football?

    Jungle drums advise that several hundred hires were made today alone.

    On the Embassy tour we had 2 Bike & Go (hired from Central) and 2 Nextbikes showing their paces - the new Nextbikes have a 7-speed hub

    Posted 7 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    "the new Nextbikes have a 7-speed hub"

    Might work in Edinburgh...

    Posted 7 years ago #
  25. Frenchy
    Member

    Does know where to find data on number of people cycling in Glasgow? Or more generally in places with bike share schemes?

    Posted 7 years ago #
  26. Klaxon
    Member

    7 speed not as useful on a city bike as I would have expected

    At least on my sturmey 8spd the ratios are crazy top heavy.

    Fun coming down the hill from the commie but anywhere else would rather a more even spread through the range.

    I think at my cadence gears 1 - 2 - 3 are about 7 - 10 - 12mph so 4 - 5 get use but 6 - 7 - 8 are really pointless and just encourage me to keep pushing faster when it's not needed.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  27. Frenchy
    Member

    At least on my sturmey 8spd the ratios are crazy top heavy.

    I expect that designers of bike share bikes would be more likely to go bottom heavy. Certainly, the lowest gear on any of the three speed ones I've used has been very very low.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  28. Klaxon
    Member

    To clarify, top speed heavy, so low gear

    Gear 1 is 1:1 and gear 8 is 325%. Basically nowhere to go other than negative gain in the crank ratio? It's already 1:1 too.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    Any update from today's launch?

    Shame it couldn't have somehow been a joint announcement with the CL+ GOOD NEWS.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin


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