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PARKING fees are set to soar by up to a third – sparking warnings that motorists will soon be driven away from the city centre.
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"Edinburgh parking charges to soar by upto 33%"
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Posted 8 years ago #
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So Stockbridge rises from £1.60 per hour to £2 and that will "will make some of these areas less attractive".
first of all - no it wont, no car driver prepared to circle stockbridge for a parking space is going to be put off by £0.40.
And perhaps the quote should be "will make these areas less attractive to CARS and hence more attractive to pedestrians etc".
Really hilarious stuff. Also - we have a car and in my area (S1) they propose a 5% hike which is about 8.5p per week.
Stop it CEC ! You are bankrupting me !!!!!
Posted 8 years ago # -
You've got to hand it to the chipwrapper, they know their (rabid and rapidly diminishing) audience.
Posted 8 years ago # -
The usual rabid loons always claim they shop elsewhere because there are the shops are much better and there are no arking charges.
Wish they would.
And if they always shop elsewhere, why continue moaning about parking in Edinburgh for shoppers? They're not using it, and we're all the better off for their miserable, torn-faced absence :-)
Posted 8 years ago # -
Parking is free in Dalkeith. Come motorists and revitalise the town centre (no one mention that it's always been free).
Posted 8 years ago # -
districts such as Bruntsfield, Sciennes and Stockbridge would be hit with a 40p rise to £2, while motorists in more peripheral areas such as Dalry and Morningside will be asked to swallow parking fees of £1.60 – up from £1.20 currently.
So what they are trying to say is that parkers in all areas are being asked for an extra 40 pence.
Posted 8 years ago # -
And parking in Morningside anywhere off the main road is pretty much free at the weekends anyway - S2 zone only operates Monday-Friday.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I love this comment from "itslikethis".
"We may not have road tax any more but we do have VED. Vehicle excise duty. It amounts to the same thing under a different name. The same as incapacity benefit was renamed Employment and Support Allowance"
Now I could tell you what you all already know that, no, it doesn't amount to the same thing, because Road Tax was ringfenced and VED isn't, so it's not just a renaming.
Except itslikethis goes on...
"So all in car Drivers contribute ( or they would do if the money was ring fenced ) more to roads than anyone else."
So, because it's not ringfenced, erm, they don't contribute more (by their own logic).
And apart from anything else I hate this reasoning because it suggests the amount you pay is directly linked to the 'right' you have to the road. By extension a gas guzzling Hummer driver would be more entitled to be on the road than a Corsa, simply because he pays more VED. And as it's a general pot of taxation that means the high earners, big bank executives with massive salaries, pay more tax (or they would if they did) than anyone else, and so presumably they have more right to the roads.
It's such a facile argument.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I feel it's time to wheel out this old joke again:
Q:How do you know when there are EEN commenters on your flight?
A:When you land and the Captain turns the engines off, the whining doesn't stop.Posted 8 years ago # -
Hehehehehe!
There's a great variety in that story. The usual 'road' tax, a climate change denier, the city centre will wither and die, I was born and brought up in the centre but never go there now ('sad but true' added for effect), and simply 'we need MOAR spaces not less*'.
*fewer.
Posted 8 years ago # -
People can always shop elsewhere, but there is the public services in Edinburgh courts, museums, national library and galleries, that are funded by tax payers throughout Scotland, not sure out of towners should be charged more for using these services.
I would imagine most journeys to Edinburgh are not to use these services, I suppose there could be some sort of rebate system for out of towners but would be much bureaucracy.
To reduce car use in Edinburgh if parking permits were sold at a commercial rate may have more impact as parking permits are often sold well below what someone would pay to park in the locations.
I always think in George street those spaces would be worth 1000s a year, so in effect people are being subsidised to park in George street. Would guess the parking permit rates is further away from what could be charged than the the street parking rates.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Now I could tell you what you all already know that, no, it doesn't amount to the same thing, because Road Tax was ringfenced and VED isn't, so it's not just a renaming.
Hypothecation of VED for road maintenance has already been announced, so it will soon be true that motorists paying more VED are contributing more to road upkeep.
I guess this could be seen as a good thing, because you can avoid paying for road upkeep by the simple expedient of not trashing the roads with a car?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Will VED cover all road maintenance?
Posted 8 years ago # -
Well, there are not a great number of empty spaces anywhere in the centre or Bruntsfield/ Morningside, which suggests demand exceeds supply at the current price.
Posted 8 years ago # -
I do wonder if some EEN and similar commenters actually want to see the whole city centre turned into a giant car park, like a shopping centre with a castle in the middle. Or if they imagine there is some secret process - being denied them by mean green p.c. campaigners - whereby THEY could be assured a free or nearly-free parking space wherever they want one. And yet they aren't getting one and it's not fair and it must be the fault of Someone Else.
Posted 8 years ago # -
It may well do, but there is a two tier market, if scrapped permit holder spaces and used demand management prices for all spaces it may be less at times or more at others. The permit holder under sold spaces create a shortages in the other spaces possibly. In some areas the streets are all parked up then move closer to the centre and half the spaces are empty.
I suppose in the future may be demand management pricing for driving or parking the way get on trains and planes.
Posted 8 years ago # -
My understanding is that VED, being levied at a national level, will go towards roads the UK gummint administer, ie motorways and major trunk roads. Nothing to do with city streets which are funded by council tax at the local level.
There are few if any parking charges levied in my own local authority, East Lothian, and certainly not in Dunbar where I live. Little enforcement of parking regs means cars prowling the streets and parking any old place. Not exactly pleasant.
Cooncil is bringing in car parking charges in public (mainly seaside) parks, which is not only going to pay for upkeep of said parks but to (help?) pay for cooncil traffic wardens as well.
It's well known that free parking encourages people to plant their cars and leave them, where time limited parking charges encourages a better flow of trips into town, as spaces are regularly freed up. I'm all in favour of car parking charges, not only in town centres but levvying large big box store car parks with a heavy car park surcharge (maybe this happens already?)
Posted 8 years ago # -
@Dave I thought that this was only in England, and the money would only go towards the upkeep of a small number or major roads & motorways, not ALL roads?
Posted 8 years ago # -
"maybe this happens"
According to my memory, Sarah Boyack proposed it and Jack McConnell vetoed it (after being frighten by thee D Record).
Perhaps being made Baron McConnell of Glenscorrodale was his reward for not upsetting the hard driving motorists(?)
Posted 8 years ago # -
"By extension a gas guzzling Hummer driver would be more entitled to be on the road than a Corsa, simply because he pays more VED."
Not necessarily more area. Maybe they're entitled to affect more of the subsurface beneath the tarmac with their greater vehicle mass, and to pollute a proportionally higher column of the air directly above the car-plan-view-footprint-area their tax buys them.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Just "entitled", no need for all the qualifications...
Posted 8 years ago # -
I'm intrigued by the idea that an Edinburgh resident would drive to Livingston to avoid a 40p increase in parking charges. A round trip to Livingston probably uses about a gallon of fuel in most cars - so roughly £4.
The Livingston centre also levies parking charges roughly comparable to those for Stockbridge/Morningside.
Details: http://thecentrelivingston.com/centre-info/getting-here
I can't see how some take on surge pricing would work for parking. The practicalities of collecting charges and enforcement would be a technical nightmare.
Posted 8 years ago # -
"Hypothecation of VED for road maintenance has already been announced"
England (and Wales) only.
Posted 8 years ago # -
Morningsider: someone has made that very point in the comments:
"40p increase in parking costs per hour.
Using the website "journeyprice.co.uk" suggests that a one way journey to Livingston will cost £2.33 (assuming 40mpg, 109p per litre for petrol)
Clearly cost isn't what is sending people out to Livingston.
And the live car parking information on Edinburgh Council's website shows that there are over 3000 off-street parking spaces around the city centre. As I write, it shows that the Omni Centre (capacity 990) has 757 free spaces.
So it isn't parking availability that is causing people to go to Livingston.
Some people just don't like having to walk anywhere and want to park right outside a shop. That is never ever going to happen on a mass scale in a city centre. Just ain't."
Posted 8 years ago # -
Do we know if EN commenters -
a) can drive?
b) own cars?
c) work for EN?
Posted 8 years ago # -
TO be honest I'd welcome parking permits out in Duddingston cos all the houses have driveways and it might encourage people to actually use them....
(I know having no car is the ultimate, but by only having one car we're a little odd, certainly out our way where almost every house has two, and quite a few have three or four, with the extras being parked out in the street).
Posted 8 years ago # -
Some people just don't like having to walk anywhere and want to park right outside a shop. That is never ever going to happen on a mass scale in a city centre. Just ain't."
From memory, the two shopping barns in Livingston are enormous and would take more walking to get to many of the shops than parking in Lewis'. Some folk are, I think, just stupit.
Posted 8 years ago # -
"Some folk are, I think, just stupid."
Aye.
Alas their stupidity convinces them they are right and anyone who takes a different view is wrong. Multiply by twenty and you get the EEN commentariat regulars...
Posted 8 years ago # -
"Do we know if EN commenters -
a) can drive?
b) own cars?
c) work for EN?"
Its been suggested that many of the comments are simply clickbait by staffers - I believe that
Posted 8 years ago # -
Not sure they have enough staff for that? Maybe an intern? Or one person with 72 unpleasant personalities?
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