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  1. gembo
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    In many ways, this forum is psychogeography. Or cycle psychogeography.

    Any sunny day I will have lunch in mushroom trust restoration of a geddes old town garden. Secret. But as we are pals, through dunbR close, going down canongate on left after statue of Bobby fergusson and second Christmas shppe

    Posted 7 years ago #
  2. PS
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    I've had Peter Ackroyd down as a psychogeographer, although I've never really looked into the term.

    His books on London (and Venice, I think) put forward his theory that particular locations retain some sort of memory of the uses they were put to or the events that happened there. Meat markets, plague pits, red light districts, all that sort of stuff.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  3. gembo
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    Yeah ackroyd sort of and someone called Clive. Will google.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  4. AKen
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    Any sunny day I will have lunch in mushroom trust restoration of a geddes old town garden. Secret. But as we are pals, through dunbR close, going down canongate on left after statue of Bobby fergusson and second Christmas shppe

    Secret garden down Trunk's Close is also very nice and, on the rare occasions that it's open, the St Columba's Church garden hidden away right at the end of Victoria Terrace is nice for a peaceful sandwich.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  5. dessert rat
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    Dunbar Close nice enough yes, but can be very busy - we tend to go down to the bottom of Canongate Kirk, right next door. Yet to see a single other person there.

    @ Aken - the St Columba's Church one I am not aware of. I shall investigate.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  6. chdot
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  8. chdot
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    "

    Every city has numerous challenges, whether it be affordable housing, homelessness, increasing the standards of hospitality, or having world-class places to stay.”

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    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jul/12/gary-neville-hotel-for-homeless-was-purely-the-right-thing-to-do

    Posted 7 years ago #
  9. gembo
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    Clive, really Chris Petit, filmmaker who made Radio On and wrote the novel Robinson. Still googling that as not on IMDb that I can see.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  10. ejstubbs
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    @Morningsider

    "The Council seem unusually scared that the money men will do a runner if they demand higher standards from major new developments. There is a pile of cash to made from property investments in Edinburgh. If one developer doesn't think it can wring enough profit from a site while meeting the required standards, I'm sure another will be happy to take a punt."

    I think it's more that the council is well aware that, given the piles of cash that you so rightly point out are there to be made from property investments in Edinburgh, developers can easily fund lengthy planning battles with the council. The council, on the other hand, operates on desperately tight budgets and has to make hard, unpleasant and very likely unpopular decisions about which battles to fight, especially since developers can appeal a planning rejection up to the Scottish Government, rendering a good deal of the council's expenditure on the process up to that point money down the drain. It's possible that the council sees a better deal overall being achieved by gaining some quid pro quos from the developers, so at least they might get some money to fix the roads and maintain bin collections, thus keeping some of the more vocal resident lobbyists off their back for a while.

    That doesn't mean that I don't think that the system sucks.

    BTW, AFAICR the "presumption in favour of sustainable development" diktat originated in Westminster - although I must admit that I thought that planning was a devolved responsibility* so in theory the Scottish Government could have chosen to ignore it. (As others have pointed out, that word "sustainable" seems to have been inserted as a largely meaningless sop to people worried about building on the green belt - which nevertheless seems to be proceeding apace round where I live.)

    * Only since 2008, it would seem link. However, that still precedes by some years the "presumption in favour of sustainable development" doctrine which AFAICT wasn't codified until the 2012 National Planning Policy Framework so I reckon the Scottish Government is still on the hook for adopting it north of the border.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  11. Klaxon
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    Sustainable in planning contexts usually means sustaining the construction industry, not sustaining a balanced environment.

    It's clever doublespeak.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  12. gembo
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    My Robinson psychogeography documentaries are by Patrick Keillor - London and Robinson in Space narrated by Paul Scholfield. Robinson in Ruins by Vanessa Redgrave.

    World view is ironic pessimism.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  13. chdot
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    The apartment offers panoramic views of the city, however at the time Ramsay Gardens was built, much of the old town of Edinburgh was a slum. Now, the Royal Mile is a tourist heritage destination

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    https://edinburghartfestival.com/whats-on/detail/14-ramsay-garden-talks-and-tours

    Posted 7 years ago #
  14. gembo
    Member

    See paddy geddes thread. Original town planner creating idea that people deserve nice places to live and that a bonus to this humanity is that they end up being better people,

    Posted 7 years ago #
  15. chdot
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    Man* on RScot taking about 'threats' inc traffic and AirBnB.

    Also 'residents help make it authentic'.

    *Nicholas Hotham http://www.ewht.org.uk/staff

    Posted 7 years ago #
  16. chdot
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  17. chdot
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    Horrifyingly, Marketing Edinburgh and the city’s Tourism Action Group went on to say “we are by no means near full capacity” for tourist accommodation and that their responsibility was to plan “industry growth”.

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/helen-martin-it-s-difficult-to-escape-from-this-tourist-trap-1-4504152

    Posted 7 years ago #
  18. chdot
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  20. neddie
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    Getting so bored of folk saying the odd new development is ruining Ed when the city is being asphyxiated by unchecked motor traffic.

    https://twitter.com/s4cedinburgh/status/894322829843464192

    Posted 7 years ago #
  21. ih
    Member

    Whilst I have some sympathy with Alexander McCall-Smith's view of quite a bit of the newer development, the s4cedinburgh tweet provides an accurate corrective. Most of the ugliness in Edinburgh is transport related, the traffic volume, the bus park (aka Princes Street), the street signage and furniture, and most of all the parking free for all.

    Posted 7 years ago #
  22. neddie
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    ^^^ like

    Posted 7 years ago #
  23. chdot
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    Edinburgh is becoming “dysfunctional” in August due to the vast number of people flooding into the city centre for its festivals, the city’s long-running heritage watchdog has warned.

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    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/inspire-me/festivals/heritage-watchdog-says-festival-crowds-choking-edinburgh-1-4543275

    Posted 7 years ago #
  24. acsimpson
    Member

    And the other 11 months it's becoming dysfunctional due to large numbers of private vehicles flooding the city centre.

    Posted 7 years ago #

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