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Cameras to catch car drivers on Princes St bus lanes

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  1. crowriver
    Member

    Not a single mention of the Bike Life survey on the EEN, of course not! Instead more headlines to wind up hard pressed family motorists. Still, in this story I spotted this interesting snippet:

    'Elsewhere, new bus lanes could be brought in at the south end of Maybury Road, North Junction Street, the east end of Ferry Road, Gilmerton Road, Liberton Brae and Liberton Gardens, and at Waterloo Place, Regent Road and Montrose Terrace. A boom in housing developments on the city’s fringes could also see new bus lanes in Kaimes, Gillespie Crossroads and Barnton.

    The proposals will be discussed by councillors next Tuesday. Cllr Hinds said: “This is all part of our review of the bus lane network, which plays an essential part in promoting the use of public transport in Edinburgh, as well as keeping traffic moving.
    Future analysis will allow us to find out which parts of Edinburgh will benefit.” '

    Currently Regent Road/Montrose Terrace is relatively quiet (roadworks disruption notwithstanding). Only a handful of peak and express bus services use this route. This means it is quite an attractive alternative route for cyclists, compared to Holyrood Road/Royal Mile or London Road/Leith Street. The main inconvenience is usually the lines of tourist coaches parked up during the summer. Could the Council be planning to re-route more bus services this way? If so, will this relatively tranquil route suddenly become more hazardous for those on two wheels?

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/cameras-to-catch-car-drivers-on-princes-st-bus-lanes-1-3922996

    Posted 9 years ago #
  2. PS
    Member

    Of course, there's more than ample space for some segregated cycle infrastructure on Regent Road...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  3. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I have a photo to prove it, I was amazed to see the cops pull over 2 cars driving along Princes Street a few weeks back. Looked like they were pleading the "I'm new here guv" innocence of tourists and one car was quickly sent on its way.

    If you live at Abbeyhill or Beyond, the 15, 103, 114 and X-buses are great for getting into town as they don't get bogged down along London Road, Picardy Place, Leith Street or York Place.

    There's oodles of room along Regent Road for a cycle lane and wider pavements, but as noted I think it's officially kept devoid of anything but tarmac to use as a coach park during the summer, whenever there's a sporting event at Easter Road, concert at the Castle or the Orange Order (or whomever) are in town for a march. It's also semi frequently used whenever there's filming going down in town to park up all the production and support lorries and trailers. I assume the council sees this as a "strategic temporary vehicle storage asset" or something like that.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  4. wingpig
    Member

    Could they at least term them "traffic regulation infringement cameras" rather than "bus lane cameras" when the point seems to be to catch normalcars being snuck down the bus/taxi/cycle/tram stretch, rather than just those drivers who then go in the bus lane as well?

    It would also be nice if the wee slopey paths from between Calton and Regent Roads were recognised as something careful and considerate cyclists were welcome on, either for escaping Regent Road without going all the way to the Abbeyhill junction or to escape Calton Road when you remember why you usually avoid it and its cobbobbobles.

    I expect Regent Road will be the official car park for contractors' vehicles whenever the whatever's happening to the Royal High School starts. The official Bus Turning Circle Roundabout between school and government is possibly another reason why the council probably doesn't to allow any sort of official cyclists-welcome-here infra anywhere nearby.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  5. crowriver
    Member

    "Of course, there's more than ample space for some segregated cycle infrastructure on Regent Road..."

    But that would mean getting rid of car parking bays and/or reducing the road to one lane of traffic in either direction. Clearly a non-starter if we want to avoid accusations of War On The Motorist...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "

    as well as keeping traffic moving

    "

    Yeah yeah.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  7. mgj
    Member

    Of course, there's more than ample space for some segregated cycle infrastructure on Regent Road...

    Does anyone realistically think that the road as currently set up, quiet, wide, good sightlines etc, should be a priority for cycle expenditure? Have the noises about huge public sector spending cuts coming from Whitehall really passed folk by?

    Anyway, the tourist coach lobby will ensure that there are no changes; they can park anywhere they like on Princes St to pick and drop off hotel guests for example.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  8. PS
    Member

    Does anyone realistically think that the road as currently set up, quiet, wide, good sightlines etc, should be a priority for cycle expenditure?

    No, but it's an easy win and one where the Council can make a clear statement that it wants to encourage more cycling (leading to cost savings in the long run), if it is so inclined. If they considered cycling infra every time they were making changes to road layouts we might actually start to get the beginnings of a network.

    Besides, what would the incremental cost of fairly basic segregation be?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  9. wingpig
    Member

    "Does anyone realistically think that the road as currently set up, quiet, wide, good sightlines etc, should be a priority for cycle expenditure?"

    "Yesterday I was involved in a road traffic accident..."

    Also the site of Gary McCourt's first killing:

    "McCourt, 49, had previously been jailed for causing another cyclist's death by reckless driving in 1985.
    Edinburgh man George Dalgity, 22, was killed while cycling along the city's Regent Road."

    Posted 9 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    "But that would mean getting rid of car parking bays and/or reducing the road to one lane of traffic in either direction."

    Well this was yesterday afternoon.

    Doesn't look like the parking bays are necessary!

    I also wonder what proportion of coaches have passengers leaving/alighting from right (left hand drive) - or does that mostly happen elsewhere?

    Posted 9 years ago #
  11. ARobComp
    Member

    I remember being in a council meeting for POP and one of the roads team asking how many coaches we'd have and telling us that we'd have to direct people to Regent Road where their coaches would be parked....

    Not sure he really "got" what POP is...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    "Doesn't look like the parking bays are necessary!"

    This is true most of the year round. However during the August Festivus and when film crews are shooting on location, that left hand bay gets busy.

    Er...that's it. Aye, they may as well put a segregated bike lane in there. The film crews could always have their catering, lighting, and talent wagons on the other side...

    Posted 9 years ago #
  13. Klaxon
    Member

    Even with a full width two way lane you could still have two rows of coaches and vehicles passing. If it was really an issue, one way during fringe solves that. Nobody even blinks when the far more important Chambers St is closed any more.

    Posted 9 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin


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