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Advanced Stop Lines & Motorbikes

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  • Started 9 years ago by HankChief
  • Latest reply from Morningsider

  1. HankChief
    Member

    So last night I shared the ASZ on Morrison St with a delivery motorbike which had L plates on.

    I mentioned to him that it was just for pedal bikes and his response was that it changed in February and they were allowed in similar to bus lanes that changed last month (as if I didn't know that one...)

    I said I hadn't heard that and I would look it up.

    So I've done my goggling and can't see any references to s178 of HWC being changed.

    "Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line..."

    I didn't get the impression he was trying it on, more that he genuinely thought it to be true and given the L plates I assume someone must have taught him it.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  2. gembo
    Member

    When I googled it came up with the motor cyclist who was apparently fined in 2014. Never heard of anyone else actually being fined, always noted the legislation cited as may incur a penalty. Cars run into them all the time which I think if it is moving traffic that then gets stopped when lights change they are allowed to do? If they roll in to them when the light is at red already I tend to just go in front of them if feeling sassy or sit behind if not bothered. I leave the motor cyclists to it.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  3. steveo
    Member

    I tend not to mind so much, but some motorbikes (like any traffic) have some really nasty fumes and I'd much rather poorly adjusted engines behind me than where I'm breathing from.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  4. Charlethepar
    Member

    Have had words with a few fat bikers in ASZs. Not one of them has made a claim of legality.

    If a law is never enforced, how is anyone meant to know what it is? A question similar to the old classic: if a tree falls in a silent forest and hits a mime, does anyone care?

    Posted 9 years ago #

  5. neddie
    Member

    I agree with steveo. I'm sympathetic towards those on 2 wheels.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  6. Charlethepar
    Member

    Some motorcyclists slip into the right hand side of ASZs, riding quiet machines not pumping out clouds of noxious fumes. Those I tend to ignore.

    Others plonk themselves in the middle of the ASZ, or use a marked cycle approach on the left to get past the queue of cars, on large, stinking, roaring monsters. These fat gits deserve no sympathy.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  7. Ed1
    Member

    What if the vehicle had 3 wheels? How sympathetic then? If was a motorcycle with 3 or a robin reliant with 3 would it make a difference?

    If so then just a question of bodywork choice really so would at first seem somewhat of an arbitrary distinction. Although a motor cycle with 2 or 3 wheels may still be regarded a more vulnerable road user so does actually make sense to considered differently, even if was a 4 wheeled motor cycle not that I tend to think any should be in the ASL.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  8. steveo
    Member

    Body work is probably the important distinction, a reliant has some a motorcycle does not (in any meaningful way). A large trike I'd be unsympathetic towards, they take up as much road space as a small car and are stable also they don't filter well.

    Posted 9 years ago #

  9. Morningsider
    Member

    The offence of failing to comply with a road sign/marking is set out in Section 36(1) of the Road Traffic Act 1988. This hasn't been amended in ages.

    The ASL road markings specified in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002 haven't changed recently.

    The offence of failing to comply with a traffic sign/marking still features in the list of traffic offences set out in Schedule 2 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.

    I think the pizza delivery guy had been misinformed - probably to help speed up deliveries. Personally, I can live with the 50cc type motorbikes using ASLs etc. It's the guys on the 1000cc behemoths that scare the bejezus out of me - given they can accelerate to light speed in about five seconds, I don't really think they have much need.

    Posted 9 years ago #

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