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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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"Stakeholder group looks nice and diverse."
In fairness three of that group I recognise as councillors (including Ms Hinds). Is the chap with the beige raincoat a council officer?
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The beige raincoat wearer is Paul Edie, LibDem local councillor.
Lesley has her arm around the MCC rep (& retired planner) Mr Smart, I think to corale him into position for the photo.
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"retired planner"
The one who said things about cycle lanes increasing pollution?
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No that was a retired respiratory surgeon at the Public meeting.
Mr Smart is the one who has a habit of saying anti cycling things in every MCC and took it upon himself to object to the Roseburn - Canal route on behalf of the MCC and only tell the committee after he had done so and without it ever being discussed at the committee
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Ta
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I was bored yesterday lunchtime, so followed through on my thought about emailing MCC about how the objection to Roseburn-Canal was made. I asked what discussions it went through, how that decision tied in with their constitution and what the nature of the objection was.
So far not had a satisfactory reply: I was invited to the next MCC meeting "in order that the new Council may take stock of the position". I pushed to see if the objection was just to the "absence" of safe walking or whether MCC was opposed to the scheme entirely. No response as yet.
I did this partly out of devilment, but mostly because so much is being made of them being the voice of the community that they need to be kept in check.
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@HankChief Interesting MCC photo crops you off, I'm sure there's nothing in that whatsoever.
How was the stakeholder group chosen? I can see 2 local councillors Ross and Edie (anti), Mr Smart (MCC anti), Mr Art Man (anti), Lesley (chair neutral?), you're off frame (pro). Who are the rest? Is Spokes represented? Sustains?
I thought that an interesting group exercise might be to get the option A pros to say how option B could be improved, and to get the antis to say how option A could be improved, just to wheedle out who was genuinely interested in a solution.
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The SG had councillors from every party & reps from Spokes, Sustrans, Living Streets, Lothian Buses, MCC & Shopkeepers as well as council officers.
The improving of the each option in turn was the task of the group. Some were more constructive than others....
Remember it isn't the SG that makeshow the decision though.
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WTF, how can there not be any women involved? (Except the chair, who presumably wants to come off as impartial).
It's also very white, but that seems to just be an Edinburgh thing (whereas, I'm reliably informed, both genders do inhabit the fair city)
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Spotted in the bagpipes shop at Haymarket, a new variant of sign:
"National Cycle Route 1 - Yes Please!"
Hopefully Sustrans will support the segregated lane, including Option A, and move NCN1 on to it.
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"@HankChief Interesting MCC photo crops you off, I'm sure there's nothing in that whatsoever."
Oh I think there's *everything* to be read into that. People and organisations reveal their biases as much by what is left out as by what is left in...
Good to see Cllr Nigel Bagshaw there, presumably representing transport committee as well as Greens.
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Is there a rep for the primary school? Closing off the ratrun would make things safer for kids getting to school and means the lollipop lady currently stationed there could move to another location.
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The font & layout of the "National Cycle Route 1 - Yes Please!" signs is the same as the "Revised Option B- Yes Please!" ones.
Suggests it's the same "character" making & distributing the signs to the shops in both Haymarket and Roseburn.
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A bit like all of the identical "Yes to Cycling, No to Cycle Lane" placards they had whilst telling non-local cyclists to "B off", and before that the (badly-spelled) handwritten placards all done by the same hand when they had the council-chambers photo-op.
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@eddie_h: I saw said character coming out of the sewing machine shop yesterday evening. Suspect he wasn't buying a new Singer. Curiously enough he didn't have hi-viz or a helmet on.
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If some of these folk actually cycled and used NCN routes they'd maybe realise how indirect they can get, as this NCN-style route between the dog shop and cake shop demonstrates:
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From the Council guidance on community councils:
A community Councillor who becomes publicly associated with a particular position in a way that may be seen to prejudice the community council on a issue must declare their interest to the community council and not take part in any activity associated with it
Interesting. Very interesting.
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@Stickman, indeed! Are you suggesting that PG Tips be forced to comply with this guidance?
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@crowriver: I just found it interesting, that's all. ;-)
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@Stickman I saw the usual suspect helmetless in Grove Street as well. Helmet is evidently for anti cycling protests only.
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Such rules are the bread and butter of minimising conflict of interest of elected officials and those who they are supposed to represent.
This would to me seem clear cut, PG has no business involving himself at MCC regarding any part of the Roseburn to Leith project.
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The Edinburgh Community Councillor's Code of Conduct states:
"You have a duty to act honestly."
Fallen at the first hurdle, I would argue.
Details (Schedule 3): http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1477/scheme_for_community_councils.pdf
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Is there any formal CEC induction process for new CCs?
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@Morningsider: well, his call for people to use fake addresses on his US petition is an example that can't be denied.
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I think PG Tips should be nominated for an MBE for services towards confabulation of reality. Oh wait, when his rather good video making project was under threat he orchestrated a campaign to have himself given a gong. If I recall correctly. Back then we thought this was for the greater good but now I see it as early onset narcissism. The government did not feel able to award the gong. The project subsequently lost its funding. I just remembered this detail and previously I had a view of not sharing past detail but now I do not care about being nice.
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Aye, gembo, the signs were there back in the 1990s for anyone who cared to look. At the time I put this down to the accumulated pressures of working in a succession of poorly funded, precarious voluntary sector organisations. However in retrospect I can see even then an aspect of his character which was rather Messianic: he liked to self-style as a victim of evil conspirators and nefarious skulduggery.
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Murrayfield Community Council meeting Tomorrow night (Tuesday 11th) if anyone fancies it.
7.30pm Murrayfield Church, Ormidale Terrace - upper hall accessed via alley between church and main church hall.
It will see the 'election' results for Committee members and voting of office bearers.
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Posters noticed in the Bagpipe and Flower shops at Haymarket. They're the same typeface and format as the ones issued by the campaign at Roseburn but a different message
NATIONAL CYCLE ROUTE 1-
YES PLEASEOne wonders whether the shopkeepers that have erected them know they come from an anti cycling campaign - who wouldn't support a National Cycle Route?
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