@crowriver, I'm just wondering if this was around 1999/2000?
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Roseburn to Leith consultation begins (and the debate continues!) CCWEL
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@Snowy, indeed and for a year or two afterwards if I recall correctly.
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EEN letters are basically the old fashioned version of the online comments. Most likely written by the same or very similar people.
They will contain similar mind boggling logic, e.g. arguing against segregated cycle lanes based on roads being unsafe to cycle on.
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@kaputnik:
My Mum tells me from the people-who-do-lunch Corstorphine grapevine that Café Vigo is already in the provess of moving to St. John's Road anyway?! Which, if true, would kind of nullify the "this will kill my business" attitude.
The empty unit that was the Bethany shop (beside the White Lady) is currently being refitted. The new occupants? Cafe Vigo.
It seems to be a new branch, they aren't moving.
https://m.facebook.com/VIGO-DELI-CAFE-corstorphine-1505907329712412/?__tn__=C
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Roseburn residents have apparently been out asking students at Napier (Merchiston Campus) to object to the cycle path! Unbelievable. I have it on pretty good authority. Any one else heard of this at Napier or Edinburgh or Heriot Watt?
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What? Why?
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Cos students like campaigning and his usual MO will involve trying to appeal to them?
Thought the consultation had ended though, so not sure what they hope to achieve.
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But what is the angle they are taking?
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"What? Why?"
So they can say it's not just NIMBYism. "It's not just us! Look, even students, who everybody knows cycle EVERYWHERE, are against this!"
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In the last century when I was first a student I used to sign all petitions. However I admit I signed under the name John Merrick, as the David lynch movie about him was quite well known at the time.
Go and tell a student the authorities are planning a move to reduce congestion and improve cycling and they will sign up. But tell them usual PG tips fibs and they will also sign up?
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It went like this:
Anti-Roseburn path person: "Have you heard there's going to be a new cycle path at Roseburn?"
My 'source' said yes and said he supported it, so he wasn't then offered to sign anything, not sure if there was anything to sign.
She proceeded to go on to say how it was bad for businesses and residents, blah, blah, blah.
He finished by saying he was a cyclist and she said, "Well you're a lost cause, then."
The anti hysteria is actually hard to get one's head around.
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The all congestion is caused by cyclists is refuted every half term. Streets so quiet that sometimes going to work it felt like a bank holiday.
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So - safe cycling to school, no school run, no congestion.
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Yes the congestion is caused by too many people driving into Edinburgh Pete should get out to that forth bridge and point this out to the fifers. The roads were deserted when that bridge was shut.
Seriously, how can anyone argue against the very obvious fact that the congestion is caused by huge volume of cars being driven at rush hour. Out with these times the streets are reasonably quiet. The cars are nose to tail through roseburn in the morning already.
Ah wait, I know, motorist stuck in same traffic jam he causes every morning can think to himself, it is the cyclists wot done it. Really? I am afraid I think so.
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"Ah wait, I know, motorist stuck in same traffic jam he causes every morning can think to himself, it is the cyclists wot done it. Really? I am afraid I think so."
It's cognitive dissonance.
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Technically it is the resolution of cognitive dissonance. But everyone drops the resolution bit. So the motorist holds two contradictory thoughts in his head, he is stuck in traffic, but he is the traffic so it is his fault. This makes him feel uneasy and he resolves feeling uneasy by blaming the cyclist for it.
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It's like being a tourist and complaining somewhere is touristy.
Of course if it wasn't touristy there wouldn't be the accommodation, easy transport, excursions arranged etc.
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"it is the cyclists wot done it."
They will if the cycle lane is not built.
Look at the South Bridge - Clerk St - Newington Rd corridor. It is horrible for cycling with absolutely no provision, but there are a lot of cyclists anyway (making it horrible for driving too...). My impression is that bicycle numbers along this route have increased a lot in the last years, and I think that's due to improvements nearby (QBC, Meadows, Innocent, now the Meadows-Innocent connection). The QBC (despite being substandard etc.) does encourage some people to cycle between George Square and KB, and once they are on the bike they also cycle over to Lidl or the Bargain store.
Point is, when you build bike infra you don't just increase cycling on the infra itself but also in areas around it. If my commute is 5km and all of it horrible, I might not cycle at all, but I may put up with a few hundred meters of horrible road if I also get 2km really nice and 2km sort of ok.
Same will happen in Roseburn. There are other improvements around Roseburn that will make cycling more attractive (Roseburn canal link, Haymarket-Charlotte Sq connection that are not in dispute and of course changes all over Edinburgh).
So if the bike lane starts e.g. in West Coates, then some people from Corstorphine may well be tempted to switch to cycling and will perhaps initially push the bike through Roseburn but after a while just get used to the road. For people like me, it's not Roseburn Terrace as such but it's the Haymarket situation that stops me going there - so if I can avoid Haymarket, I would cycle along Roseburn terrace if I want to go to the zoo or the airport. And then of course hold up all the important white van people.
If the Roseburn people don't want cyclists in Roseburn Terrace, they need to stop all improvements around Haymarket and the canal link too, otherwise people will come.
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"hold up all the important white van people."
Sometimes gives me great pleasure doing that if they behave like erses.
"If the Roseburn people don't want cyclists in Roseburn Terrace, they need to stop all improvements around Haymarket and the canal link too, otherwise people will come."
Sssshhh. You'll give them ideas...
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Another letter: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/letters/letters-transport-progress-not-addressing-real-issues-1-4034686
"It is pointless to spend time and money on cosmetic segregated new cycle routes if the actual road surfaces across the Capital actively discourage people from using their cycles."
I don't think this person understands what segregated means.
"This is in addition to the rise in pollution of PM2.5 and NO2 caused by the introduction of the tram ... causing even further congestion and pollution."
Glad it's not just us causing the congestion and pollution, I was starting to feel bad!
"In London and other cities, the effects of air pollution are fully recognised, it is being debated openly and steps taken to combat the problem."
Is he referring to the segregated cycle lanes they're building?
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"Is he referring to the segregated cycle lanes they're building?"
That or congestion charging/discouraging itthe worst commercial vehicles, etc
If they really want to keep cyclists off Roseburn terrace I feel they would need to pedestrianise it. If that's what they want I'm happy to support it. In fact a pedestrianised section on each arterial route into the city could have a lot of benefits.
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dgcorepath (@dgcorepath)
21/02/2016, 14:53
@s4cedinburgh @CyclingEdin @LAHinds @adamrmcvey @FrankRoss06 @Bicicleto_ZGZ Our path would help attract business to #eastlothian villages."
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Looks like another Roseburn Terrace business has closed: the alterations place is now empty. I'm sure they had the petition posters in the window a few weeks ago, but might be wrong.
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Fear of the unknown scaring off customers??
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That is a shame, where could I drive to now to have my trousers taken up? Note, must have option of illegal parking.
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My bold
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The opening of a cinema and the arrival of new restaurants and top clothing brands have seen footfall at the centre increase by more than 12 per cent in the past year. And centre bosses say the local economy has also gained, with almost 1800 jobs created last year.
But the success of the out-of-town centre, just off the A1, may not be such good news for the city centre, with people living on the east of the Capital now finding so much of what they need close at hand.
"
http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/fort-kinnaird-revamp-generates-1800-jobs-1-4036211
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I saw Fort Kinnaird once from a bus. Its apparent popularity is all I need to convince me that I am actually a different species from its customers.
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We've been to Fort Kinnaird - largely to visit Mammas and Pappas to look at buggies and baby stuff cos it's hard to make a call on these things if you haven't used them before.
Horrible, horrible place. Seems it's designed to encourage people to drive between shops.
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And could you actually feel your soul physically being sucked out of your body?
Seems it's designed to encourage people to drive between shops.
That is how it looks to me too.
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Pretty much, yes.
It's basically two large A-roads which criss-cross to separate the whole into four disparate sites. Walking the half mile or so from TKMaxx to B&Q involves, iirc, walking along a dual-carriageway and crossing two roundabouts. And possibly walking down an access road with no pavement.
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