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In the constituencies the Lib dems took four seats with a third of the overall total number of votes for labour who managed just three seats.
In other words if you voted lib dem in the constituency poll you had a bout a 50/50 chance of your candidate getting elected (not mAny people went for that option)
Interesting bunch of MSPs.
Of the FPTP 6 only Ruth Davidson is in Holyrood already - but new to an Edinburgh seat.
EDIT it's 2 missed The SNP’s Gordon Macdonald re-elected in Edinburgh Pentlands - so did EN!
3 of the 7 list MSPs are new.
New can be good.
Someone sent me a bell a Caledonia linked that had a number of pro SNP facts. All of which were true. Then at the end they had written you won't here (sic) this on the BBC.
Thing is, I had just heard the BBC radio 4 saying the last fact (worst labour result in a century, though must be close to worst ever?) and all the other facts were ones I had read on the BBC website.
How can your side win so handsomely and you can still be chippy? But then arithmetically why would you punt vote SNP twice and have approx 800,000 votes not count?
I suppose it is not in the DNA of political parties to advocate that their supporters support other parties? Even with tactical voting they are often quite coy.
@gembo
Election over, move on (as they say!)
"why would you punt vote SNP twice and have approx 800,000 votes not count?"
'We' have had that discussion. Wasn't just the SNP, your favoured party too. People can vote for same party twice if they choose.
There is a bit of an issue about misinformation (lying or failing to understand the system) about list votes.
Of course - it could be argued - if you voted for someone you expected to win (especially if it was 'tactical') and they didn't win then that was a wasted vote(?)
Yes, election over move on, that was my point about the bella Caledonia chippy list.
I am only talking arithmetically. I did of course waste my first vote as thanks to you I have been a reasonably early adopter of the bloc vote shift argument.
But I liked the candidate, good people skills unlike the feckin Tory who stood as candidate and was on the list.
I once gave my second vote to SSP but as with the rest of the left was let down by tango Tommy.
"New can be good."
Yes, 2/3 of Ed/Lothian MPSs are.
Well worth asking what they think of ActiveTravel, the LW - Roseburn supahiway, and whether they would like a cycle tour of bits of Edinburgh.
"New can be good."
Haven't looked it up, but I assume well over half are new to Holyrood?
And probably, on average, younger(?)
No increase in % of women (no LD ones).
"How can your side win so handsomely and you can still be chippy? "
It goes something like this: WE WOZ ROBBED OF OOR MAJORITY AND IT'S ALL THE FAULT OF THEY GREENS.
"But then arithmetically why would you punt vote SNP twice and have approx 800,000 votes not count?"
Exactly. If more SNP voters had gone Green on the list (or RISE) then there would have been a big pro-Indy majority (which SNP supporters supposedly want) and fewer Tories.
As it is, there's still a pro-Indy majority with the Greens. So if IndyRef2 is ever mooted during this session, there would be the numbers to pass the legislation.
On the other hand, it can be argued that an SNP minority administration, and the huge upswing in Tory voters (280,000 more votes on the list since 2011) means that IndyRef2 is at least a questionable proposition.
Anyway, as chdot says the election's over. Now the parliament needs to get pn with governing the country.
Isn't one of the advantages of the constituency / region split that the electorate get a better connection with the MSP the elect as more of them will have voted for at least one of them.
In the Lothian Constituency votes the winner got between 30% (Ruth Davidson) and 53% (Angela Constance) of the vote.
In the Regional vote, the Tory, Labour & Green's got 53% together.
Having said that, I & everyone else on Edin W/S/C are now in the situation where I don't have a SNP representative as either Constituency or Regional. Guess any discontent with Government policy will need to be directed at the Ministers and/or Councillors.
@HankChief, good point. But then you do still have elected representatives who are supposed to represent you, regardless of party affiliation... :-)
"As it is, there's still a pro-Indy majority with the Greens. So if IndyRef2 is ever mooted during this session, there would be the numbers to pass the legislation."
Except that it needs Westminster to agree.
"... means that IndyRef2 is at least a questionable proposition."
Yes, unknowable until after EuroRef.
New thread here -
"There is a bit of an issue about misinformation (lying or failing to understand the system) about list votes."
I think that the lack of understanding of the system is more than a bit of an issue. Of the non politically active people that I spoke to in the run up to election I would say that fewer than a tenth actually understood the full implications of regional voting. I didn't understand it at all until I watched a video a few weeks ago. I suspect that a fair number of politically active people don't fully understand the regional system even if they claim to do so.
I love the haughty arrogance that diehard SNPers direct at Alison Johnston for having the insolence to stand in Edinburgh Central. It was a "vanity" project for a competent, likable MSP to have a go, and aren't the Greens getting above themselves. How dare they have a bigger Cause than Holy Indy?
I hope it's feigned in order to reduce vote leakage, but there does seem to be a lack of comprehension among politicians that people might not be 100% behind a particular party and might actually want to give their two votes to different parties (and potentially parties that are some distance apart on the political spectrum).
If it isn't feigned it shows a worrying fervour and lack of empathy, neither of which, in my book, are good looks for people with any form of legislative power.
"If it isn't feigned it shows a worrying fervour and lack of empathy, neither of which, in my book, are good looks for people with any form of legislative power."
Quite -
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The result, which confounded expectations of a bigger SNP win, marks a return to the politics of deal-making and horse-trading at Holyrood. She sought to strike a conciliatory tone, but her comments carried a defiant threat to opponents who might attempt to block parts of her programme.
Issuing a warning that voters would punish parties that sought to frustrate her plans, she insisted she had a “clear and unequivocal mandate” after winning 63 of the parliament’s 129 seats.
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Both labour and SNP lost about 100,000 votes in the regional part of the election. This was of course more damaging to labour who failed to convert half a million votes into any more than three seats in the constituency part. Labour green I know a few folk in Edinburgh who would maybe have gone green green if green had candidates? So not really concluding anything here except that labour and greens could give it a go together? Scottish green Labour Party?
More seriously, Tory vote increased in the region a little from the constituency and given their previous lack of seats, the constituency candidates were also the list candidates.
Anyway, I thought we were moving on.....
"Anyway, I thought we were moving on....."
Yes
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16358
That's for the 'main interest' of CCE - getting better conditions for walk/cycle over next five years.
How to realign parties/voters for the election in 5 years might need a new thread -
Sometime.
Fermer Le marmite?
So is it too late to mention that in winning Central, Ruth Davidson had a lower share of the vote than 32 candidates who were 2nd in other seats (if my sums are right)? Ken McIntosh in Eastwood got a bigger share even in 3rd place.
"So is it too late to mention"
Never!
The what/why/maybe/if only of the recent election are still of interest (just) - especially that most of those elected in Edinburgh went to PoP (except RD!) - though Lesley Hinds and Jim Eadie went too.
This thread remains open, the next five years are at http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16358
There will be threads for the 2017 election soon...
"There will be threads for the 2017 election soon..."
Oh yes forgot about that one!!!
From two months ago -
"14 months is indeed a long time in politics - it remains to be seen if the SNP remains supremely popular in Scotland and (more relevant here) if national politics is the main factor in CEC voting."
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=16085#post-213738
Now Edinburgh has its own rainbow of MSPs.
Interesting times...
Lots to campaign for/about.
I voted Yes in the IndyRef, and might do again - at some time in the future - but this is a mistake just now -
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Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed her intention to relaunch the SNP’s independence campaign in the summer despite being reduced to a minority in Holyrood.
The SNP leader insists her manifesto pledge to “undertake new work, starting this summer, with the aim of persuading a clear majority of people in Scotland that independence is the best future for our country” was backed by almost half of voters in the Scottish election on Thursday.
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It would be wiser to wait to see what happens in the EuroRef.
The following is technically true -
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“There is an independence-supporting majority in the Scottish Parliament if you take the SNPs and the Greens.
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But having already ruled out any intention of working closely with the Greens (in preference to any other party), plus various bits of on-line nonsense about how 'the Greens stole our overall majority', I imagine the Greens might be a bit cool about being dragged into another IndyRef campaign any time soon.
The SNP seems keen on 'proving' that Unionist jibes about 'one-policy party' are true.
There's a country to run and NS has already said she intends to implement all of her manifesto promises, so she's going to be busy enough anyway dealing with other parties in the absence of an overall majority.
It's not yet clear how many of her ministers will be equally good at multitasking.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/nicola-sturgeon-to-launch-new-scottish-independence-campaign-1-4122210
I'll wait and see what she actually does.
She has to say something about it if for no other reason that to send Ruth a message about tanks and lawns.
Ruth already has a tank I think.
"I'll wait and see what she actually does."
Yes but she is being a bit too upfront about all this to do nothing!
"She has to say something about it if for no other reason that to send Ruth a message about tanks and lawns."
Might be best to ignore as much as possibly, RD is the one promising to be 'the opposition' no need to give her an early target.
"Ruth already has a tank I think."
Think-tanks might be more useful (for all parties).
Labour certainly needs one to get its manifestos ready on time!
If you ignore Ruth it makes her look as if she's making the running. If you react to her it might also make her look as if she has some power, which she doesn't.
I don't expect Ms Sturgeon to do nothing about it but she might speak softly over the summer.
I wonder about that manifesto thing. The official reason was to stop the SNP "stealing their clothes" but I remember the Ian Grey manifesto and that's not what happened. The launch was a bit shambolic too. I wonder if there was a late redraft when the tax and rebate policy fell apart.
Anyway, it's all fun. Number 2 son was on the SuperLight Brompton this morning. Not a good sign.
I don't know if anyone watched Sunday Politics Scotland today, but I'm watching it now. I must say that I'm finding Nicola Sturgeon very arrogant and annoying. It's rare I agree with a Tory but when Jackson Carlaw talked about people growing tired of hearing "I, I, I," and "the politics of I" from the SNP, and their "overbearing arrogance", I now know exactly what he means. Nicola Sturgeon doesn't use "we" (i.e.. the SNP) she just says "I, I, I" all the time, but switches to "them, they" when talking about the opposition. Unbelievable until you actually hear it. The power seems to have gone to her head.
@chdot
She has to throw the bone of another referendum to her die-hard supporters. After all, it's the only raison d'etre of the SNP.
"She has to throw the bone of another referendum to her die-hard supporters."
Yes, but it didn't have to be before she resumes her day job.
Also plenty reasons for being more enigmatic before the EuroRef result.
Arguable there are about 40% diehards on both sides of the Indy debate.
In the middle the ones who might/need to be swayed will be variously - 'electioned out', wanting 'more info', 'certainty' on currency, waiting to see if England/Scotland vote for/against Brexit etc.
Meanwhile some people/parties might get some traction for reviving notions of 'home rule'/DevoMax.
I wonder how many Green supporters (or would-be Gss), would bother about the GP changing from supporting Independence to some form of Federalism (in or out of the EU).
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