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It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
RULES No personal insults. No swearing.
Also, what form can this campaign possibly take? You campaign for an election as there's one on a set date, you campaign for a referendum ditto. If you're a lobby group like Spokes you campaign so that the government will shift some money and policy your way. But the SNP are the government.
I can only imagine rallies where the faithful turn out to cheer. It sounds pointless.
"I wonder how many Green supporters (or would-be Gss), would bother about the GP changing from supporting Independence to some form of Federalism (in or out of the EU)."
Good question. Currently the Scottish Green party policy is independence, that was decided through a democratic debate and vote in the party. If that were to change, a similar process would need to happen.
My feeling is most Greens see independence as a means to an end, rather than the end itself. Personally, I'd be fine with proper federalism, others might disagree. I know some members don't agree with independence and may have voted No in 2014.
"I can only imagine rallies where the faithful turn out to cheer. "
Presumably with Oor Nicola receiving ten minute standing ovations and being all presidential.
Did you see that Soviet retro Chosen One picture of her on the front of The National the eve of the election?
Ever since she flew about in a helicopter with her name on it, I've thought "Hubris". Salmond is an arrogant sod as well
A government campaigning on an electorate for an independence referendum which yet hasn't been called? Sounds fairly totalitarian.
Just as that National cover looks totalitarian...
A Government campaigning at the electorate are doing propaganda and re-education. That's fine if it's health, eg Stop Smoking. But on the constitution? It's creepy.
Do people really vote based on what a politician looks like?
On Friday one of my cow-orkers said they wouldn't vote for Ms Sturgeon because she looked sleekit. Previous conversation suggests that the person who said that will have little idea of policy. Another person in the room said she looked gay. That comment isn't going to be quickly forgotten.
I know they put effort into presentation but do people really take as far as these guys seem to?
Is this actually true, or just someone else who doesn't understand the voting system?
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Alex Cole-Hamilton (@agcolehamilton)
08/05/2016, 9:11 pm
.#SP16 had @willie_rennie &I not won our seats, a)SNP would have majority b) @scotgp= 4 MSPs @andywightman & @markruskell owe us big time ;)
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I've not looked at the numbers in Fife but I'm pretty sure it's correct in Edinburgh/Lothians. If Alex hadn't won Edinburgh Western then Toni would have done so. Alex would therefore have taken the last list seat at the expense of The greens Andy Wightman.
The Lib Dems got more list votes in Mid Scotland & Fife than the greens so it seems likely the same would have happened there.
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EDINBURGH has established itself as Scotland’s most politically diverse city as the Tories, Labour and Liberal Democrats each took a seat from the SNP and the Greens increased their strength on the Lothian list
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@acsimpson, another way of looking at it is if Alison Johnstone had not stood in Edinburgh Central, taking at least some votes away from the SNP, then Ruth Davidson would not have got in. She would have been on the list instead, with a knock on effect on candidates lower down the list, including Andy Wightman.
So you can argue standing in Edinburgh Central was a smart move for the Greens...
If Alex Cole-Hamilton had lost to the SNP, and the SNP had won Edinburgh Central, the Tories likely would have four MSPs from the list, Labour two, Greens one, and no Lib Dems at all. So it's just as well for the Lib Dems that tactical voting was strong in Edinburgh Western.
Indeed, I think I made the point earlier in the thread that the greens standing and loosing in Edinburgh Central may have made the difference between them retaining one seat and gaining a second. I hadn't realised that this strategy could also be considered a factor in the LibDems winning a seat had they not won Western.
"I've not looked at the numbers in Fife but I'm pretty sure it's correct in Edinburgh/Lothians."
OK, happy to trust your judgement!
Certainly going to be plenty of 'what ifs' and 'we wuz robbed' etc, based on 'fact' - or not.
Nothing can be wholly fair. There are several people in Edinburgh who would (probably) have been re-elected as councillors, if their name had been higher up the alphabet on the party list.
Don't know if parties can now choose candidate order for local elections.
On Friday one of my cow-orkers said they wouldn't vote for Ms Sturgeon because she looked sleekit.
There's no point in voting just on what politicians say they'll do. What if they're lying? You also have to judge how honest they seem to be. I've found two ways to do that. The first is to examine their (and their party's) record over years and see how many promises they've broken or weaseled out of. The second is far less effort - do they look sleekit?
cow-orkers
Leakage from the Gorgie City Farm thread?
These what ifs also make the rather weak assumption that the only thing that changes is the singular isolated piece of the jigsaw which you are looking at.
Perhaps if the Lib Dems hadn't put the effort into these two seats they would have made more effort on the list and ended up with more list votes. I don't know how much Lib Dem material was distributed outside western but almost half their list votes were from the single constituency (8k/18k).
We'll also never know what would have changed if the SNP had better address the failings of the EH West MP and previous Western MSP.
Since I've got the results open in front of me I'm going to add another quick observation.
The Tories got 2000 more list votes in Edinburgh Western than the Lib Dems and 3000 more in Edinburgh Southern that Labour.
A mixture of liking the candidate but not the party along with the obvious tactical voting I would guess.
@ACS do you have your own data - or is there a weblink?
All the results. including a breakdown by constituency of the regional list votes, are on the Edinburgh Council web site under 'elections'. A quick web search will find it easily.
As crowriver says:
http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/download/1880/scottish_parliament_elections_results_2016
Knowing it's on the council site seems to be a prerequisite for easy googling.
I assume the other responsible councils publish similar details.
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The Wikipedia page on the elections is actually pretty darn good, if you want to get the overall picture. Better in many ways than BBC, Grauniad, etc. Also has all the prior election results in the same format.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament_election,_2016
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Elections 2016: the Scottish earthquake continues
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https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elections-2016-the-scottish-earthquake-continues-f829864192b5
From the above: "progressive parties have lost out to UKIP who are effectively the new representatives of white working class racism in Wales"
If true, that raises the question of which party represents white working class racism in Scotland? Clearly not UKIP as their results are poor. Does the racist vote go somewhere else or is Scotland a racism free Nirvana?
"radical left cultural nationalism" indeed. Hm. I don't think Paul Mason has quite got that right...
There is still some support for UKIP in Scotland. Tories I would say have been the historical home of racism. Of course plenty of non-racist Tories. About 120 in the Scottish defence league? Rangers has a fringe element of racists in their supporters. Would we say settlerwatch was racist? If so, then the SNP used to have some racists? Or xenophobes if you like? Racists also I am guessing in labour and lib dem. Just keep quiet? Greens? Somehow doesn't seem likely. Though I suppose there might be some guardian reading racists? Rise I think unlikely to have racists? I heard a curious story about one of the fringe parties and their candidate having a pro eugenics view but that seemed too odd for me to repeat.
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He said in the email: “We were let down by a tiny group of dreadful careerists putting themselves above the party’s interests. They will be dealt with.”
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http://www.scotsman.com/news/david-coburn-ukip-let-down-by-dreadful-careerists-1-4123991
@chdot, bit circular? Dreadful careerists let down by dreadful careerists?
Kezia Dugdale apparently stepping down as an MSP in July. https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1122824745941118976
If I understand the process correctly, Sarah Boyack has first refusal at her seat, then Lesley Hinds.
Labour's Lothian list candidates from 2016:
1. Kezia Dugdale (elected, stepping down)
2. Neil Findlay (elected)
3. Sarah Boyack
4. Daniel Johnson (elected as constituency MSP)
5. Lesley Hinds
6. Jalal Chaudry
7. Cat Headley (No longer a party member)
8. Bernard Harkins
9. Eilidh MacDonald
10. Shami Khan
11. Ann Henderson
12. Richard Corral
You'd have to think long and hard before you stepped into her shoes. £86,000 plus pension in the bag but what a scutter.
This list thing does not seem very democratic as cant choose the person 86k plus pension the highest paid in western Europe if you index MP pay with state pension or job seekers. The uk has one of the larger multiple of state pension to make up elected members pay.
An MSP's basic annual salary is currently around £62k, according to http://www.parliament.scot/StaffAndManagementResources/MSP_and_Office_Holder_Salaries_1_April_2017.pdf
And after tax over two years that's about £86,000.
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