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  1. chdot
    Admin

    "My beef here is much less with the professor than the standard of journalism found in the Herald in recent years."

    Journalism in general.

    The Sunday Herald is generally 'pro independence', which is not wholly the same as pro SNP.

    There can be little doubt that the SNP will have a significant majority. It is probable that they could get an extra seat or two if all the voters who vote SNP in the constituency also vote SNP on the list.

    The consequence is that the Green might not get particular seats.

    In Lothian that might mean that Andy Wightman didn't get elected.

    I think that the SNP Gov would benefit from him being an MSP.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/14429594.Holyrood_Week_column__Why_SNP_landslide_is_not_done_and_dusted/

    "Last time in Lothian the SNP won no seats on the list because it took eight of the nine constituencies.

    If that was replicated across the eight regions it would end up with 65 seats and a majority of one.

    Any less and it needs the second votes to give the additional list members it would require."

    Posted 8 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    you been readings @wings again? http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-diverging-path/

    Posted 8 years ago #
  4. wee folding bike
    Member

    Among other things, yes.

    Also playing the uke, harmonica, piano, learning the bits and bobs of a new camcorder and having the shop set fire to one of my Bromptons.

    I don't know if journalism was always this bad or I'm just getting more sensitive to it. Sometimes when you get to the bottom of a story in the Herald you find something completely different from what the headline stated. Apparently you're not expected to read all the way down.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  5. wee folding bike
    Member

    Derek Bateman isn't impressed either. Not surprising of course.

    http://derekbateman.scot/2016/04/17/rise-with-ukip-anyone/

    Posted 8 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    So, in summary Bateman believes the SNP are the only way, there is no alternative because the SNP "scares the pants off Westminster" (really?) and anyone who disagrees that they're not the bees' knees is a "moaner".

    I find it very sad, the mixture of siege mentality and hubris that has apparently seized the SNP camp. We don't need a political monoculture to replace the previous versions, we would have a healthier democracy with a diverse democracy of different opinions and sharing of power. Exactly the sort of thing Bateman claims to have supported in the past.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  7. SRD
    Moderator

    Am I the only person for whom it was so bleedingly obvious to me that John Curtice would never 'tell anyone how to vote' that I didn't read the herald as saying that in the slightest?

    comments on the wings page (and twitter) totally absurd - "Herald is now totally unionist" and they're all cancelling their subs.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  8. wee folding bike
    Member

    It looks like the Herald did say that, he didn't but the Herald did.

    Cancelled the sub a few years ago. Not because of their POV but because it stopped being very good. The only thing I still enjoyed in it was Ian Bell and he died not long ago.

    Having the National's main story this week about finding a prop from a '70s movie was a new low.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    Quotes from link above (http://derekbateman.scot/2016/04/17/rise-with-ukip-anyone)

    Basically I agree with this -

    "

    The truth is that nobody knows how many votes each party will get on the first ballot which determines how many seats they win and adjusts the calculations of the second votes. It is a blind gamble and if you get it wrong, you may help a different party. But that’s the serendipity of democracy. (It’s also why we need to look at changing the system. When people don’t know how it works or what to do, even in the best informed electorate, we’re in trouble).

    "

    And this -

    "

    So if your objective is to make devolution more attractive and more fun, give your second (of your first) vote to smaller groupings who’ll make Holyrood appear more consensual. I used to agree with that.

    "

    But not the next sentence -

    "But if it’s power you’re after to cast off British control and imagine a renewed nation, you invest in the one party that can achieve that – without qualification and caveat. (I could almost get Professor Curtice to agree…)

    "

    There are people who want Independence but would rather it was not under (at least as the sole party) the SNP.

    The party line of both the Greens and RISE is pro-independence, so voting for either is still (partially) a 'vote with future independence in mind'.

    BUT (unless there is a UK Brexit vote - quite possible but harder to guess than the current Holyrood result, in which case who knows!!) there is unlikely to be IndyRef2, in the next 5 years and there still needs to be some sort of opposition to the SNP and MSPs who have ideas that are different from the SNPs and the willingness and ability to alter the Gov's proposals (a stronger committee system would help).

    If people are convinced supporters of the SNP and its policies (no manifesto yet), then it is perfectly reasonable to vote SNP twice. If people would like a better/different Scotland from the SNP vision, then it's reasonable to vote for another party even if they place a constituency cross for the SNP as well.

    I suspect there are some Green supporters/voters who would have voted SNP/Green but are now wondering whether to in the face of the '2 votes SNP' calls.

    At the last Westminster election (results distorted by FPTP) there must have been plenty of people who voted No in the IndyRef and then SNP, but are still not sure they would vote Yes in any future IndyRef.

    I'm sure this time there will be people who vote SNP and also Lab or Tory because they are voting for the 'best' Gov/opposition - not just 'to show support for some future constitutional change'.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  10. wee folding bike
    Member

    The prof doesn't seem entirely happy with the Herald's representation of his comments.

    Not sure if this will work. I'm not a twitterer. In my job it would be a tricky thing to use.

    https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/721630503967789056

    Posted 8 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Holyrood 2016: UKIP activists call for 'gaffe-prone' Coburn to be replaced

    "

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-scotland-36086376

    Posted 8 years ago #
  12. Stickman
    Member

    SNP manifesto:

    "We have put in place record investment in cycling and walking and will continue to do so over the life of the next Parliament. We will implement our national walking strategy and we are determined to meet our vision of 10 per cent of everyday journeys being made by bike by 2020. We will review the Cycling Action Plan for Scotland (CAPS) to explore what more we can do, including on extending cycling training “bikeability” schemes for the young. And we will work to improve the integration between active and public transport."

    In contrast to that woolly mealy-mouthed wording they are very specific on spending £1.3bn on road developments, even down to specifying which roads they are talking about.

    Be interesting to see what Derek McKay has to say at PoP on Saturday.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    Not only that, the SNP's manifesto is liberally peppered with aerial photos of the £2bn Queensferry motorway crossing being built.

    Scottish Motorists' Party indeed.

    I note also that the Scotland 2016 debate on the Environment last night excluded any representative from the Greens. Ridiculous travesty!

    Posted 8 years ago #
  14. PS
    Member

    Be interesting to see what Derek McKay has to say at PoP on Saturday.

    "Record investment, Change takes time, need to persuade not force people out of cars, it's in the councils' hands, but we're running a competition for one exemplar segregated scheme." That'll be about the size of it, I suspect. If so, I hope he'll be roundly booed.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  15. Stickman
    Member

    If so, I hope he'll be roundly booed.

    If he utters the magic words "culture change" then I'll certainly be booing.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  16. Rosie
    Member

    In neo-Marxism, culture is the superstructure above infrastructure.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    "

    we are determined to meet our vision of 10 per cent of everyday journeys being made by bike by 2020.

    "

    My bold...

    Like the full stop after 2020...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  18. Rosie
    Member

    I'm determinedto lose a stone and half for my summer holiday.

    For Christmas...

    By this time next year...

    Posted 8 years ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    If they're so "determined" to meet this "vision", then why not make it...

    ...a target?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  20. acsimpson
    Member

    "If they're so "determined" to meet this "vision", then why not make it...

    ...a targetfund it?"

    Fixed that for you.

    Any funding announcements which fall short of Spokes' rather reasonable suggestion of 1% of the trunk road budget would fall onto my list of items worth considering booing. (Or in reserved Edinburgh circles not applauding)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    Answer: because there are important things to do like cutting Air Passenger Duty by 50%. Of course. Oh, and keep building motorways and dual carriageways. Of course.

    Don't you people listen when the government sets out its plans for the next five years?

    I mean really. Everybody who's anybody wants Nicola as FM. So just get with the programme, stop moaning and letting the side down, aye?

    Posted 8 years ago #
  22. PS
    Member

    Is that you talking Scotland down again, crowriver? ;-)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    Aye, if the moaning greeting minnies would just still their babbling tongues and wheesht a second, then Scotland's Destiny Party can get on with the Serious And Important Business of sticking two fingers up at Westminster, then eventually giving in. Also don't forget there's literally millions of square miles of Scotland that have no dual carriageways! We cannot be diverted from our Important And Strategic Tasks by baseless criticism and sniping from unpatriotic girners who grind their crumbling teeth at the Only Party Standing Up For Scotland. Ever.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  24. Morningsider
    Member

    Perhaps the Scottish Government wouldn't have to keep finding extra hundreds of millions of pounds for the NHS if it invested some cash in preventative measures - like cycling.

    The climate change stuff makes me laugh (the alternative being to cry). Almost all the reduction in emissions is due to closures of a few huge polluters - generally major heavy industries (e.g. steel making) and coal fired electricity generation. Almost all the easy stuff has now happened, with very little assistance from Government - even then, Scotland has never met its targets. Obviously, Scots still like buying stuff, we just let the Chinese pollute on our behalf these days and then ship stuff to Tilbury and then truck it up to Scotland.

    Still, not to worry - a fiver off flights to London and that lovely new bridge to look forward to (pity they cut the walk/cycle ways from it)

    Posted 8 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

  26. HankChief
    Member

    Disappointed that the Tory Transport Cllr Nick Cook who is trying to become a MSP hasn't responded to my offer to visit Roseburn to understand the point of view of those in favour of it...

    https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/722496806769270786

    Posted 8 years ago #
  27. Min
    Member

    I will be making my decisions based on the interviews by Gary Tank Commander next Monday. :-D

    Posted 8 years ago #
  28. Stickman
    Member

    @HankChief: Nick Cook is below Jeremy Balfour in the regional list - perhaps he's deferring to seniority. It is poor. He's very keen on the idea of a bike hire scheme but doesn't seem to make the connection with providing safe infrastructure for it.

    Posted 8 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

  30. chdot
    Admin

    "

    Edinburgh Pentlands has been held by three different parties since 1999, but Gordon Macdonald looks set to retain the seat for the SNP this time, says Ian Swanson

    "

    http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/holyrood-2016-snp-s-gordon-macdonald-likely-to-hold-pentlands-1-4105297

    Posted 8 years ago #

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